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JKR

NDPP wrote:

Natonazi supports zionazi Israel. Nor is the Palestinian resistance  exclusively Muslim.

The desire to dehumanize others by equating them with Nazis incites hatred, violence, harm, and death.

Paladin1

JKR wrote:
josh wrote:
Paladin1 wrote:
NDPP wrote:

Increasingly the growing demonstrations, protests and actions across Canada openly support Palestinian resistance and its victory. As do I. So should you.

They're simply becoming more honest with their desire to kill jews and destroy Israel.

Celebrating the rape and murder on October 7th is proof of that. Hell, most of the posters here either do their best to ignore the events of October 7th, or openly praise it as some sick form of resistance.

Ok, genocide supporter.

Maybe look in the mirror?

I always thought Josh had issues so I was never very hard on him, but yeah. Pretty ironic.
He literally supports Hamas and their behaviour on October 7th, same with many others here.

JKR

To understand any conflict, from personal ones to international ones, you have to take into consideration the position of all sides.

NDPP

'Spent the first night of Passover at the Student Seder in the Gaza Solidarity Encampment of Columbia'

https://twitter.com/christiolson/status/1782731045990711575

"It seems like they've recruited troll farms specifically to target Jewish protesters/students/faculty in the US. I've seen the word 'Kapo' regularly since October, but never more than in the past 72 hours. Things must be bleak for them if they're this desperate."

They're 'bleak' indeed!

"200 days have passed and the Zionist entity is still trapped in the quagmire of Gaza, exploiting its predicament on the ground for more killing and destruction...

Our strikes and resistance will continue as long as the aggression of occupation or its presence persists on any inch of our land...

We say to Netanyahu: your death, the end of your occupation and your downfall are inevitable..."

Abu Obeida, Al Qassam

Free Palestine! Honour to our united Resistance!

Healing Our Nations Of United Resistance!

josh

Paladin1 wrote:
JKR wrote:
josh wrote:
Paladin1 wrote:
NDPP wrote:

Increasingly the growing demonstrations, protests and actions across Canada openly support Palestinian resistance and its victory. As do I. So should you.

They're simply becoming more honest with their desire to kill jews and destroy Israel.

Celebrating the rape and murder on October 7th is proof of that. Hell, most of the posters here either do their best to ignore the events of October 7th, or openly praise it as some sick form of resistance.

Ok, genocide supporter.

Maybe look in the mirror?

I always thought Josh had issues so I was never very hard on him, but yeah. Pretty ironic.
He literally supports Hamas and their behaviour on October 7th, same with many others here.

Never did. You can dish it out but you can’t take it.

The one positive about the site closing is not having to read your drivel.

NDPP

The Nazi's Grand-daughter: Chrystia Freeland Refuses to Answer (&vid)

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1782643898130530606

"Canadian Minister of Finance Chrystia Freeland refuses to answer journalist Yves Engler whether she condemns Israel's murder of Palestinian children."

Standing Up For Israel: Chrystia Freeland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsvX2OMiscM

"Canada stands shoulder to shoulder with Israel..."

It shouldn't! Nor should you!

[email protected]

JKR

NDPP wrote:

The Nazi's Grand-daughter: Chrystia Freeland Refuses to Answer (&vid)

Since when is it okay to blame a granddaughter for the actions of their grandparent?

melovesproles

JKR wrote:
NDPP wrote:

The Nazi's Grand-daughter: Chrystia Freeland Refuses to Answer (&vid)


Since when is it okay to blame a granddaughter for the actions of their grandparent?

Since she lied about it to Canadians and tried to blame it on a Russian disinformation campaign turning a personal issue into an international diplomatic one. This is a part of her family history she would have known about since her grandfather's position as a Nazi propagandist had been well-documented in her uncle's University of Alberta historical journal on the Ukrainian-Canadian diaspora . And there's the fact she has a PhD in Russian history but had no issue with someone who described fighting in a Nazi SS Unit during WW2 as "the best years of his life" speaking to Canadian Parliament simply because he fought against Russia .

You seem to have a lot more time for actual Nazis though and like to save your accusations of antisemitism for pro-Palestinian activists (including Jewish ones) who critisize the Israeli state's ongoing ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Indigenous Palestinian population.

JKR

I have no "time" for Nazis.

Freeland is obviously not a Nazi. Saying she is is slanderous. Unfortunately around here falsely accusing others of being Nazi’s has become commonplace.

melovesproles

What happened to your 'boths sides-ism" or is that just when it comes to the genocide of Palestinians?

JKR

Looking at the perspectives of all sides in a conflict is always the right thing to do.

Paladin1

josh wrote:
Paladin1 wrote:
JKR wrote:
josh wrote:
Paladin1 wrote:
NDPP wrote:

Increasingly the growing demonstrations, protests and actions across Canada openly support Palestinian resistance and its victory. As do I. So should you.

They're simply becoming more honest with their desire to kill jews and destroy Israel.

Celebrating the rape and murder on October 7th is proof of that. Hell, most of the posters here either do their best to ignore the events of October 7th, or openly praise it as some sick form of resistance.

Ok, genocide supporter.

Maybe look in the mirror?

I always thought Josh had issues so I was never very hard on him, but yeah. Pretty ironic.
He literally supports Hamas and their behaviour on October 7th, same with many others here.

Never did. You can dish it out but you can’t take it.

The one positive about the site closing is not having to read your drivel.

Sure I can take it. Being a warmonger Con Imperialist zion-kissing Troll baddie here I had to be very reserved with the language I used and responses I made. It's fine ;)

And yes, the good news is OldGoat won't get bombarded with you and others filling up his inbox with your tears and hurt feelings.

It truly is a tragedy Palestinians got suckered by Hamas and are being killed for it now. Their victim card doesn't seem to be holding up too well.

josh

LOL.  I never once in over 20 years emailed a moderator to complain about a poster:

melovesproles

JKR wrote:

Looking at the perspectives of all sides in a conflict is always the right thing to do.

Right, so you have time for the perspective of Nazis like Hunka? And for Freeland who had no issue with him being celebrated in the Canadian Parliament even though someone with a grade 3 history level of education should have known who he had fought for let alone someone with a PhD in Russian history?

Yeah I bet you and Paladin are all over Shoah memorial websites talking about how all perspectives on the Holocaust need to be remembered.. You jokers are real consistent like that. This is the safe genocide for you to 'both sides' it because Palestinians have no political power here. Anyway, I get that you have probably been intergenerationally brain-washed when it comes to Israel and have decent politics on most other issues. Paladin, well, we all know Conservatives have one political principle: punch down.

melovesproles

josh wrote:

LOL.  I never once in over 20 years emailed a moderator to complain about a poster:

Same. Paladin definitely did because he cried about it in the moderating thread when it came out that all of the other complaints were about him.

Watching Conservatives flush their pretend principles on freedom of speech and support censoring Pro-Palestinian activism online and in real life has been unsurprising but it's also been enlightening for the younger generation who are only now realizing what utter hypocrites Right-wingers are.

JKR

melovesproles wrote:
JKR wrote:

Looking at the perspectives of all sides in a conflict is always the right thing to do.

Right, so you have time for the perspective of Nazis like Hunka? And for Freeland who had no issue with him being celebrated in the Canadian Parliament even though someone with a grade 3 history level of education should have known who he had fought for let alone someone with a PhD in Russian history?

Yeah I bet you and Paladin are all over Shoah memorial websites talking about how all perspectives on the Holocaust need to be remembered.. You jokers are real consistent like that. This is the safe genocide for you to 'both sides' it because Palestinians have no political power here. Anyway, I get that you have probably been intergenerationally brain-washed when it comes to Israel and have decent politics on most other issues. Paladin, well, we all know Conservatives have one political principle: punch down.

What “other perspectives on the Holocaust” are you referring to?!?!?

Freeland is obviously not a Nazi. It’s absurd to say she is. This is one example of why many in the public doesn’t take the far left seriously.

melovesproles

JKR wrote:
melovesproles wrote:
JKR wrote:

Looking at the perspectives of all sides in a conflict is always the right thing to do.

Right, so you have time for the perspective of Nazis like Hunka? And for Freeland who had no issue with him being celebrated in the Canadian Parliament even though someone with a grade 3 history level of education should have known who he had fought for let alone someone with a PhD in Russian history?

Yeah I bet you and Paladin are all over Shoah memorial websites talking about how all perspectives on the Holocaust need to be remembered.. You jokers are real consistent like that. This is the safe genocide for you to 'both sides' it because Palestinians have no political power here. Anyway, I get that you have probably been intergenerationally brain-washed when it comes to Israel and have decent politics on most other issues. Paladin, well, we all know Conservatives have one political principle: punch down.

What “other perspectives on the Holocaust” are you referring to?!?!?

Oh right. You actually can see genocide is wrong when it comes to the Holocaust, just not with Israel's genocide of Palestinians where it's important to consider all perspectives..

Like I said real real consistent.

JKR

melovesproles wrote:
JKR wrote:
melovesproles wrote:
JKR wrote:

Looking at the perspectives of all sides in a conflict is always the right thing to do.

Right, so you have time for the perspective of Nazis like Hunka? And for Freeland who had no issue with him being celebrated in the Canadian Parliament even though someone with a grade 3 history level of education should have known who he had fought for let alone someone with a PhD in Russian history?

Yeah I bet you and Paladin are all over Shoah memorial websites talking about how all perspectives on the Holocaust need to be remembered.. You jokers are real consistent like that. This is the safe genocide for you to 'both sides' it because Palestinians have no political power here. Anyway, I get that you have probably been intergenerationally brain-washed when it comes to Israel and have decent politics on most other issues. Paladin, well, we all know Conservatives have one political principle: punch down.

What “other perspectives on the Holocaust” are you referring to?!?!?

Oh right. You actually can see genocide is wrong when it comes to the Holocaust, just not with Israel's genocide of Palestinians where it's important to consider all perspectives..

Like I said real real consistent.

The Jews of Europe did not attack Germany. The German government wasn’t reacting to violence from Jews.

melovesproles

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Freeland is obviously not a Nazi. It’s absurd to say she is. This is one example of why many in the public doesn’t take the far left seriously.

I never said she was but she clearly has no issues with the Ukrainian nationalist right, blatantly lied about her grandfather's Nazi past to the extent of blaming it on another country, and then didn't think about why celebrating a Ukrainian who fought the Russians in WW2 and said being part of an SS unit "were the best year of his life" might be problematic. That's clearly a pattern. Again, I get that that doesn't bother you as much as Pro-Palestinian protestors.

melovesproles

JKR wrote:
melovesproles wrote:
JKR wrote:
melovesproles wrote:
JKR wrote:

Looking at the perspectives of all sides in a conflict is always the right thing to do.

Right, so you have time for the perspective of Nazis like Hunka? And for Freeland who had no issue with him being celebrated in the Canadian Parliament even though someone with a grade 3 history level of education should have known who he had fought for let alone someone with a PhD in Russian history?

Yeah I bet you and Paladin are all over Shoah memorial websites talking about how all perspectives on the Holocaust need to be remembered.. You jokers are real consistent like that. This is the safe genocide for you to 'both sides' it because Palestinians have no political power here. Anyway, I get that you have probably been intergenerationally brain-washed when it comes to Israel and have decent politics on most other issues. Paladin, well, we all know Conservatives have one political principle: punch down.

What “other perspectives on the Holocaust” are you referring to?!?!?

Oh right. You actually can see genocide is wrong when it comes to the Holocaust, just not with Israel's genocide of Palestinians where it's important to consider all perspectives..

Like I said real real consistent.

The Jews of Europe did not attack Germany. The German government wasn’t reacting to violence from Jews.

If they had, you're saying ethnic cleansing and genocide like what Israel is inflicting upon the Palestinians would have been justified?

JKR

melovesproles wrote:

Quote:
Freeland is obviously not a Nazi. It’s absurd to say she is. This is one example of why many in the public doesn’t take the far left seriously.

I never said she was but she clearly has no issues with the Ukrainian nationalist right, blatantly lied about her grandfather's Nazi past to the extent of blaming it on another country, and then didn't think about why celebrating a Ukrainian who fought the Russians in WW2 and said being part of an SS unit "were the best year of his life" might be problematic. That's clearly a pattern. Again, I get that that doesn't bother you as much as Pro-Palestinian protestors.

I have no problem with pro Palestinian protesters. I've cordially spoken to some at demonstrations. I also think Freeland is not a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer. She's a run of the mill centre-left liberal.

Paladin1

melovesproles wrote:

Same. Paladin definitely did because he cried about it in the moderating thread when it came out that all of the other complaints were about him.

No tears were shed, I thought rules might apply evenly. Didn't work.

I did love when you started crying about JKR being a troll all of a sudden because he didn't support your genocidal views of what should happen to Israel. Guys been here longer than you lol But all of a sudden oh no theres a troll who has been hiding for 19 years. The long game.
Just shows you the opperssor or oppressed mindset the left us indocternated to view the world as. And how quickly the left turns on itself. I hope you think of me October 20th, 2025. If you can pause your celebratring October 7th long enough.

JKR

melovesproles wrote:
JKR wrote:
melovesproles wrote:
JKR wrote:
melovesproles wrote:
JKR wrote:

Looking at the perspectives of all sides in a conflict is always the right thing to do.

Right, so you have time for the perspective of Nazis like Hunka? And for Freeland who had no issue with him being celebrated in the Canadian Parliament even though someone with a grade 3 history level of education should have known who he had fought for let alone someone with a PhD in Russian history?

Yeah I bet you and Paladin are all over Shoah memorial websites talking about how all perspectives on the Holocaust need to be remembered.. You jokers are real consistent like that. This is the safe genocide for you to 'both sides' it because Palestinians have no political power here. Anyway, I get that you have probably been intergenerationally brain-washed when it comes to Israel and have decent politics on most other issues. Paladin, well, we all know Conservatives have one political principle: punch down.

What “other perspectives on the Holocaust” are you referring to?!?!?

Oh right. You actually can see genocide is wrong when it comes to the Holocaust, just not with Israel's genocide of Palestinians where it's important to consider all perspectives..

Like I said real real consistent.

The Jews of Europe did not attack Germany. The German government wasn’t reacting to violence from Jews.

If they had, you're saying ethnic cleansing and genocide like what Israel is inflicting upon the Palestinians would have been justified?

I don’t think Israel is committing ethnic cleansing or genocide. I think they’re engaging in self defence. If Israel is breaking international law they should face international law, not propaganda campaigns. Jews obviously didn’t attack Germany and Germany was obviously not acting in self defence against Jews.

melovesproles

Paladin1 wrote:

melovesproles wrote:

Same. Paladin definitely did because he cried about it in the moderating thread when it came out that all of the other complaints were about him.

No tears were shed, I thought rules might apply evenly. Didn't work.

I did love when you started crying about JKR being a troll all of a sudden because he didn't support your genocidal views of what should happen to Israel. Guys been here longer than you lol But all of a sudden oh no theres a troll who has been hiding for 19 years. The long game.
Just shows you the opperssor or oppressed mindset the left us indocternated to view the world as. And how quickly the left turns on itself. I hope you think of me October 20th, 2025. If you can pause your celebratring October 7th long enough.

Every other post JKR was making was calling criticism of Israel antisemitic. That is obviously trolling but I get why you wouldn't be able to recognize it. Self-awareness doesn't seem to be your thing. Sure I'll spare a thought for the Conservative troll on babble who couldn't see the difference between the Allied invasion of Nazi Germany and Israel's multi-generation-long genocidal occupation of Palestine.

Paladin1

That's the thing. People like you see any opion that isn't yours as trolling.

It's bad enough that kind of behavior drove everyone away, show some grace and apologize.

melovesproles

JKR wrote:

I don’t think Israel is committing ethnic cleansing or genocide. I think they’re engaging in self defence.

Well, you're not living in reality then and this is a great example of why the majority of the public thinks Zionists are dangerously delusional.

melovesproles

Paladin1 wrote:

That's the thing. People like you see any opion that isn't yours as trolling.

It's bad enough that kind of behavior drove everyone away, show some grace and apologize.

Says the guy on the Palestinian Activism thread accusing everyone of celebrating October 7th .

LOL

Paladin1

melovesproles wrote:
Paladin1 wrote:

That's the thing. People like you see any opion that isn't yours as trolling.

It's bad enough that kind of behavior drove everyone away, show some grace and apologize.

Says the guy on the Palestinian Activism thread accusing everyone of celebrating October 7th .

LOL

That's because "Palestinian" activists were praising October 7th last weekend.

Took them a while for their true colours to show, but it was inevitable.

JKR

melovesproles wrote:
JKR wrote:

I don’t think Israel is committing ethnic cleansing or genocide. I think they’re engaging in self defence.

Well, you're not living in reality then and this is a great example of why the majority of the public thinks Zionists are dangerously delusional.

Do you have any evidence for that like a reputable opinion poll? You obviously think Israelis are “delusional” but you thinking that doesn’t make it so.

melovesproles

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Took them a while for their true colours to show, but it was inevitable.

I heard that in other contexts last week too.

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As we head for the sunset of this place, I want to give shoutouts to CMOT, NDPP, Josh, Contrianna, kropotkin, and melovesproles for their informative links and incredible analyses when it comes to world/domestic events that fail to get fair and honest coverage or discussion by our media or political parties. I have learned so much and have had my gut reactions to certain world events validated by facts and knowledgable opinions. Thank you.

melovesproles

JKR wrote:
melovesproles wrote:
JKR wrote:

I don’t think Israel is committing ethnic cleansing or genocide. I think they’re engaging in self defence.

Well, you're not living in reality then and this is a great example of why the majority of the public thinks Zionists are dangerously delusional.

Do you have any evidence for that like a reputable opinion poll? You obviously think Israelis are “delusional” but you thinking that doesn’t make it so.

Polling has consistently shown more and more people (especially people who aren't old and white) think Israel is committing genocide. Have you missed that? Recent polls also show a majority of Americans think weapon shipments to Israel should stop.

https://cepr.net/press-release/poll-majority-of-americans-say-biden-shou...

Your opinion is only the majority in an increasingly shrinking, ageing, white population which is why your only ally on babble on this issue has been Paladin, the Polievre supporter who claims all Pro-Palestinian protestors are antisemites.

JKR

That poll didn't mention anything about Israelis being or not being “genocidal” or "dangerously delusional". You also can’t determine right from wrong through opinion polls. That’s why we have courts instead of opinion polls.

melovesproles

I actually said your claim that Israel's ethnic cleansing and genocide is just self-defense was dangerously delusional and not at all in line with public opinion. As that poll shows most North Americans want arms shipments to Israel stopped because they see what Israel is doing. 

melovesproles

The ICJ also said plausible genocide.

Paladin1

melovesproles wrote:

Polling has consistently shown more and more people (especially people who aren't old and white) think Israel is committing genocide.

Source?

NDPP

Columbia University: WOW!

https://twitter.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1782899768953381188

"So beautiful. A beacon of light."

 Go forth, prosper and multiply against imperial fascism & for freedom for Palestine and democracy here at home. Down with nazi-clappers! Ready or not rising times. Join us. Into the streets!

JKR

melovesproles wrote:

I actually said your claim that Israel's ethnic cleansing and genocide is just self-defense was dangerously delusional and not at all in line with public opinion. As that poll shows most North Americans want arms shipments to Israel stopped because they see what Israel is doing. 

In these opinion polls you’re reading into things that don’t necessarily follow.

JKR

melovesproles wrote:

The ICJ also said plausible genocide.

In most wars the possibility that genocidal events have occurred is very often plausible. The current Russia - Ukraine War is an example of that.Genocidal events also seem to be occurring in places like Yemen and Syria. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the people of Russia, Ukraine, and Syria are “delusional.”

JKR

Countries from around the world are working with Israel because they believe that Israel has the right to defend itself.

melovesproles

JKR wrote:
melovesproles wrote:

I actually said your claim that Israel's ethnic cleansing and genocide is just self-defense was dangerously delusional and not at all in line with public opinion. As that poll shows most North Americans want arms shipments to Israel stopped because they see what Israel is doing. 

In these opinion polls you’re reading into things that don’t necessarily follow.

Okay, why do you think most North Americans want weapons shipments to Israel stopped? You don't think it has anything to do with growing public awareness that Israel is committing genocide?

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Among younger Americans, and along political lines, divisions are more prominent. Almost half of those surveyed aged 18-29, 49%, say Israel is committing genocide, with 24% disagreeing and 27% uncertain.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/24/americans-believe-israel...

JKR

They want weapons sales to stop because they want hostilities to stop.

JKR

Many Americans also probably think Palestinians, Russians, Ukraines, Yemenis, Syrians, etc... are also committing genocide in their conflicts too.

melovesproles

Exactly, they don't buy Israel's claims of self-defense. And the number of people who think Israel is committing genocide continues to rise. 

NDPP

#GazaHolocaust

https://twitter.com/s_m_marandi/status/1782306744758309353

This is what supporting Apartheid Israel's monstrous genocide means. DON'T!

FREE PALESTINE!

melovesproles

JKR wrote:

Many Americans also probably think Palestinians, Russians, Ukraines, Yemenis, Syrians, etc... are also committing genocide in their conflicts too.

Source

JKR

War and genocide

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_and_genocide

War and genocide studies is an interdisciplinary subject that identifies and analyzes the relationship between war and genocide, as well as the structural foundations of associated conflicts. Disciplines involved may include political sciencegeographyeconomicssociologyinternational relations, and history.

There is general consensus among scholars that the problems of war and genocide are intimately linked as the two often accompany each other. However, there are varying thoughts and theoretical perspectives on the topic as it continues to be a subject of scholarly analysis and debate.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11]

melovesproles

That's definitely not an opinion poll that shows Americans think Yemenis are committing genocide. You seem to have a really hard time accepting the fact that most people disagree with you that what Israel is doing is self-defense. Instead we see a growing awareness of Israel's genocide of Palestinians. You are right though that Israel's war, ie. occupation, illegal settlements and ethnic cleansing and genocide of Palestinians are all linked.

JKR

What evidence do you have that people generally think Israel's actions are not based on self defence?

JKR

Israelis obviously generally think their countries actions are based on self defence,

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