So you're saying European Jews should not be allowed to live in Israel?
Free Palestine!
Tue, 2024-03-26 19:06
#2502
Tue, 2024-03-26 19:16
#2503
No. I'm saying there shouldn't have been a separate sectarian state created.
Tue, 2024-03-26 19:21
#2504
Anatomy Of A Genocide
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/anatomy-geno...
Report of the Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in the Palestinian Territories Since 1967, Francesca Albanese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XrwNGWF108
"...By analyzing the patterns of violence and Israel's policies in its onslaught[er] on Gaza, Ms Albanese concludes that 'There are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating Israel's commission of genocide is met."
Suggest everyone study and assimilate this superb analysis by an acknowledged scholar and expert. Then pass it on to others including our 'representatives' and msm lying liars.
Tue, 2024-03-26 19:23
#2505
No. I'm saying there shouldn't have been a separate sectarian state created.
I agree the British botched things up. They should have stayed in power until Arabs and Jews established a permanent peace agreement. The UN could also have established a UN proctorate until Arabs and Jews agreed to a permanent peace agreement. That should still be the solution to the conflict, namely a permanent peace agreement.
Tue, 2024-03-26 19:24
#2506
Israel were Europeans have the "right of return" to a country that they can be attached to by merely swearing allegiance to the right mythical being. Palestinians whose parents or grandparents were ethnically cleansed during the Nakba have no right of return.
There are many layers to this but the biggest obstacle to the two state solution are the racist settlers and their IDF bodyguards. I used to think it was a solution but that ship has sailed. There is no land left for a Palestinian state unless Israel goes to war with its settlers on behalf of the Palestinian people. I for one do not believe that Israel will even slow down the ongoing settlements let alone stop them or try to remove existing settlements. In fact Israel does not even acknowledge that the settlements are illegal and some fools think they will negotiate an end to the ones that have been built in Palestinian areas since the Oslo Accords.
"Just ask Daniella Weiss, 78, the grandmother of Israel's settler movement, who says she already has a list of 500 families ready to move to Gaza immediately.
"I have friends in Tel Aviv," she says, "so they say, 'Don't forget to keep for me a plot near the coast in Gaza,' because it's a beautiful, beautiful coast, beautiful golden sand".
She tells them the plots on the coast are already booked.
Mrs Weiss heads a radical settler organisation called Nachala, or homeland. For decades, she has been kickstarting Jewish settlements in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, on Palestinian land captured by Israel in the 1967 Middle East war.
Some in the settler movement have cherished the dream - or pipedream - of returning to Gaza since 2005, when Israel ordered a unilateral pullout, 21 settlements were dismantled and about 9,000 settlers were evacuated by the army. (Reporting from Gaza at the time, I saw many who were literally dragged out.)
Many settlers saw all this as a betrayal by the state, and a strategic mistake.
Opinion polls suggest that most Israelis oppose resettling Gaza, and it is not government policy, but since the Hamas attacks on 7 October it is being talked about out loud - by some of the loudest and most extreme voices in Israel's government.
Mrs Weiss proudly shows me a map of the West Bank with pink dots indicating Jewish settlements. The dots are scattered all over the map, eating away at land where Palestinians hope - or hoped - to build their state.
There are about 700,000 Jewish settlers in these areas now and settler numbers are rising fast.
The vast majority of the international community considers settlements illegal under international law, including the United Nations Security Council. Israel disputes this."
Tue, 2024-03-26 19:30
#2507
'People are saying things. When will they do things? It's not happening fast enough, but the door is opening...' - The BIG picture.
Hyperimperialism: Dangerous and Decadent New Stage - with Vijay Prashad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJDxxkVhlJM
What is this new era of 'hyperimperialism'? How do Gaza, Ukraine and the cold war factor in? How is the decline of Global North hegemony shifting the geopolitical landscape?
How do we maintain hope as we watch an extermination campaign unfold in Gaza?
Tue, 2024-03-26 19:35
#2508
Israel were Europeans have the "right of return" to a country that they can be attached to by merely swearing allegiance to the right mythical being. Palestinians whose parents or grandparents were ethnically cleansed during the Nakba have no right of return.There are many layers to this but the biggest obstacle to the two state solution are the racist settlers and their IDF bodyguards. I used to think it was a solution but that ship has sailed. There is no land left for a Palestinian state unless Israel goes to war with its settlers on behalf of the Palestinian people. I for one do not believe that Israel will even slow down the ongoing settlements let alone stop them or try to remove existing settlements. In fact Israel does not even acknowledge that the settlements are illegal and some fools think they will negotiate an end to the ones that have been built in Palestinian areas since the Oslo Accords.
"Just ask Daniella Weiss, 78, the grandmother of Israel's settler movement, who says she already has a list of 500 families ready to move to Gaza immediately.
"I have friends in Tel Aviv," she says, "so they say, 'Don't forget to keep for me a plot near the coast in Gaza,' because it's a beautiful, beautiful coast, beautiful golden sand".
She tells them the plots on the coast are already booked.
Mrs Weiss heads a radical settler organisation called Nachala, or homeland. For decades, she has been kickstarting Jewish settlements in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, on Palestinian land captured by Israel in the 1967 Middle East war.
Some in the settler movement have cherished the dream - or pipedream - of returning to Gaza since 2005, when Israel ordered a unilateral pullout, 21 settlements were dismantled and about 9,000 settlers were evacuated by the army. (Reporting from Gaza at the time, I saw many who were literally dragged out.)
Many settlers saw all this as a betrayal by the state, and a strategic mistake.
Opinion polls suggest that most Israelis oppose resettling Gaza, and it is not government policy, but since the Hamas attacks on 7 October it is being talked about out loud - by some of the loudest and most extreme voices in Israel's government.
Mrs Weiss proudly shows me a map of the West Bank with pink dots indicating Jewish settlements. The dots are scattered all over the map, eating away at land where Palestinians hope - or hoped - to build their state.
There are about 700,000 Jewish settlers in these areas now and settler numbers are rising fast.
The vast majority of the international community considers settlements illegal under international law, including the United Nations Security Council. Israel disputes this."
Obviously opposing Israel's existence for 75 years and counting through military and non military instead of supporting negotiating a permanent peace agreement has so far worked out very badly for Palestinians. Unfortunately many Palestinians still want to military destroy Israel so the trajectory of the past may continue.
Tue, 2024-03-26 20:09
#2509
JKR you are an asshole. I put out serious discussion points that you ignore completely. Instead you spout tired and worn Jewish Power talking points. The only thing you seem to disagree with them on is the two state solution. Like Jewish Power, to you this is is all about anti Arab blame and hatred.
Tue, 2024-03-26 21:02
#2510
Kropotkin, I agree that settlers and extremists in Israel present a huge obstacle to establishing a permanent peace settlement. The position of these Israeli extremists is that Palestinians are not interested in establishing a permanent peace agreement with Israel and the proof of that is that Palestinians haven’t and aren’t supporting a permanent peace agreement and that during previous peace negotiations they have walked away from offers. The only way I can see to prove the Israeli extremists wrong is for Palestinian leaders to propose a permanent peace agreement that respects Israel’s right to exist permanently in peace. I agree that Palestinians are in a weaker position than Israelis because the status quo is much more unpalatable to Palestinians than to Israelis. I think this is why it is very much in the interest of Palestinians to publicly come up with a viable permanent peace proposal as soon as possible to reverse the status quo. I agree Israel is using their military advantage to take more land in the absence of negotiations to establish a permanent peace. Israel is able to do this because they can simply say Palestinians have no interest in a permanent peace agreement because their goal is still to destroy Israel no matter how long it takes. I think this situation is similar to the Ukraine Russian conflict where Russia is using its military advantage to its advantage. This is why Ukraine wants to join NATO to counter this situation.
Tue, 2024-03-26 21:05
#2511
Hyperimperialism: Dangerous and Decadent New Stage - with Vijay Prashad
..good video.
..paraphrase "the radicalization of young folks around the world..this is what scares them. this is what they are trying to shut down."
Tue, 2024-03-26 21:22
#2512
Defining the borders is of course the problem. I do not think that the people of Israel will be willing to retreat to the pre-1967 borders and they would also reject the Oslo Accord maps at this point.The only way I can see to prove the Israeli extremists wrong is for Palestinian leaders to propose a permanent peace agreement that respects Israel’s right to exist permanently in peace.
The people of Palestine are resisting a European colony backed by the richest military power on the planet. Who the fuck was Balfour anyway to be divvying up other peoples lands? Why should anyone think that the musings of a worn out Conservative politician should be respected? He only had his position because it was war time. Even the British people in 1917 would not have elected him to run the country. Somehow JKR thinks he had the moral authority to run the world.
" Biography
Arthur James Balfour succeeded his uncle, Lord Salisbury, who had been his political mentor and champion. However, his initial interests were not political. He enjoyed music and poetry, and was first known as a renowned philosopher, publishing ‘A Defence of Philosophic Doubt’, ‘The Foundations of Belief’ and ‘Theism and Humanism’.
In 1874 he was elected the Conservative Member of Parliament for Hertford. Four years later he became private secretary to Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, Lord Salisbury, then Foreign Secretary in Benjamin Disraeli The Earl of Beaconsfield’s government.
In 1885 Balfour was a member of Randolph Churchill’s ‘Fourth Party’ group (distinct from the Conservatives, Liberals and Irish Nationalists), which brought down William Ewart Gladstone’s government with a motion opposing the Home Rule for Ireland Bill.
It was thought that Balfour was merely entertaining himself with politics – indeed the House did not take him quite seriously. Members looked upon him as just a young member of the governing classes who remained in the House because it was the proper thing for a man of family to do.
Later on he joined the Cabinet as Secretary for Scotland and then for Ireland under Lord Salisbury. Despite widespread doubt that he was up to the demanding job of Irish Secretary, Balfour proved to be a tough incumbent, restoring the rule of law. His land development legislation was considered well-judged and has been credited with calming the Irish conflict for a generation.
In 1891 Balfour became First Lord of the Treasury and Leader of the Commons. He regained the same positions on the Conservatives’ re-election in 1895.
When Lord Salisbury retired, Balfour became Prime Minister, but his cabinet split on the free trade issue and his relations with the king were poor.
Defeats in the Commons and in by-elections led to his resignation in December 1905.
In the Liberal landslide that followed, Balfour lost his own seat but returned via a by-election soon after. He continued to lead his party until 1911 but, despite stepping down, his career was far from over and he became First Lord of the Admiralty in the wartime coalition, then Foreign Secretary.
At this time he wrote a letter, which has become known as the Balfour Declaration, stating the government’s view to “favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people” on the understanding that “nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine.”
For the greater part of the 1920s he was Lord President of the Council until Stanley Baldwin’s government fell in 1929. He had always been a delicate and poorly man and he died the following year from circulatory failure."
Tue, 2024-03-26 21:27
#2513
..from the global front.
Amnesty UK 'renames' Israel embassy street 'Genocide Avenue'
Amnesty International UK has unofficially "renamed" the London street leading up to the Israeli embassy to the UK.
Amnesty UK campaigns manager Kristyan Benedict posts to social media a picture of a sign reading "Genocide Avenue" and bearing the rights group's logo.
"Israeli embassy, London. We've renamed your street (again)," Benedict says.
He adds that the move was the work of Amnesty UK and that "our friends" at Palestinian rights group Al-Haq "joined us for media interviews and photos".
In March 2022, Benedict posted a similar message saying the Israeli embassy's street had been renamed, attaching a photo of a sign reading "Apartheid Avenue" and "No Palestinians allowed".
Tue, 2024-03-26 21:38
#2514
kropotkin1951 wrote:
Defining the borders is of course the problem. I do not think that the people of Israel will be willing to retreat to the pre-1967 borders and they would also reject the Oslo Accord maps at this point.
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I agree that things have changed a lot since the Oslo Accords and that will change what borders are up for negotiations.
Tue, 2024-03-26 21:44
#2515
It seems that the negotiations might be like the Ten Little Indians song.
Tue, 2024-03-26 21:49
#2516
Protests continue for second day in front of Israel embassy in Amman
Demonstrators gathered for the second day of protests in front of the Israeli embassy in Amman, Jordan, on Tuesday, condemning Israel's targeting of hospitals in Gaza and urging the Jordanian government to take stronger action against Israel.
The night prior, on Monday, thousands of protesters broke past a security cordon in front of the Israeli embassy before being dispersed by tear gas and police swinging batons, leaving several injured.
At least two hundred protesters were arrested on Monday, the vast majority of which were released overnight, according to Khaled al-Juhni. the office director of the Islah parliamentary bloc, affiliated with the Khazab group and Islamic Action Front, who attended the protest.
Demonstrators chanted slogans against the presence of the Israeli embassy in Jordan and called for the 1994 Wadi Arab peace treaty between the two countries to be severed.
"There were men, women, young and old people all there in solidarity with Palestine. They were denouncing the [Israeli] escalation in Al-Aqsa mosque, their blockade on al-Shifa hospital and their assaults on the dignity of people," Khaled al-Juhni told The New Arab.....
Tue, 2024-03-26 21:54
#2517
kropotkin1951 wrote:
The people of Palestine are resisting a European colony backed by the richest military power on the planet. Who the fuck was Balfour anyway to be divvying up other peoples lands? Why should anyone think that the musings of a worn out Conservative politician should be respected? He only had his position because it was war time. Even the British people in 1917 would not have elected him to run the country. Somehow JKR thinks he had the moral authority to run the world
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I don’t think it matters whether he had or didn’t have “moral authority.” What mattered was that he had political authority. Balfour was likely an antisemitic and morally bankrupt in many ways. The Balfour Declaration itself was primarily written by high level bureaucrats and high level British diplomats for the purposes of furthering the interests of the UK. It should be remembered the UK changed its position considerably during the latter part of the 1930’s and sided firmly with Arabs living in the British Mandate to the detriment of the Jews living in the British Mandate,
Wed, 2024-03-27 01:22
#2518
'Say someone steals your pizza. Say you and the thief agree to negotiate over the pizza. Except, while you are 'negotiating', the thief continues eating your pizza. That's what negotiations with Israel are like.' - [Former Palestinian negotiator].
Wed, 2024-03-27 10:33
#2519
..from the global front.
UK pro-Palestine group shuts down Israel-owned arms factory
Pro-Palestine activist group Palestine Action "shut down" one of the top global manufacturers of military drones on Tuesday in protest at Israel's war on Gaza.
Eight activists blockaded all three access points into the Instro Precision weapons factory in Discovery Park Kent, owned by Elbit Systems, the Israeli arms manufacturer.
Founded in 2020, Palestine Action believes in using direct action tactics to shut down and disrupt multinational arms dealers, mainly targeting UK-based companies accused of providing arms to Israel.
Its primary campaign is #ShutElbitDown, which has been conducting weekly protests blockading arms suppliers nationwide.
The campaign had allegedly forced its subsidiary factory in Manchester to shut down, while Elbit claimed it was part of a company restructuring.
Elbit Systems’ biggest customer is the Israeli Ministry of Defence and provides up to 85 percent of the land-based equipment used by the Israeli military and almost 85 percent of its drones....
Wed, 2024-03-27 11:47
#2520
'Say someone steals your pizza. Say you and the thief agree to negotiate over the pizza. Except, while you are 'negotiating', the thief continues eating your pizza. That's what negotiations with Israel are like.' - [Former Palestinian negotiator].
Say someone falsely accuses your family for your great grandfather stealing their great grandfather’s pizza 75 years ago. Say you show them the legal receipt your great grandfather received from the UN Pizzeria to buy half a pizza. Say you repeatedly offer to discuss the issue with them to figure out a peaceful solution to solve the problem peacefully and fairly for everyone. Say that person says the only solution is for you and your family to leave the neighborhood or die and then proceeds to attack you and luckily you fend them off. They then blame you exclusively for the problem and the violence that has occurred. That's what negotiating with Palestinian extremists is like.
Wed, 2024-03-27 13:23
#2521
What mattered was that he had political authority.
JKR you cannot put your self in the shoes of a Palestinian and see the injustice that has been rained down on them by the Anglo/American empires. Your might makes right argument when it involves white people telling brown people we are going to have mass immigration, steal your land and move you onto ever smaller plots of land is truly a sign of racism. Very Canadian style racism I might note. I think you resemble Joseph Trutch.
Canada stole indigenous land and committed genocide using the still in place Indian Act. The Israelis are using their Basic Law that makes Jewish settlers complete citizens and everyone else second class citizens.
Wed, 2024-03-27 13:46
#2522
Moving people onto smaller plots of land was not a part of the UN Partition Plan that Jews living in the British Mandate agreed to to create the State of Israel.
Wed, 2024-03-27 13:51
#2523
Kropotkin, where do you think the overall movement to destroy Israel, that you yourself support, is going to lead?
Wed, 2024-03-27 14:17
#2524
Hopefully to the same place that South Africa has arrived at. A secular state without special privileges depending on what mythical creature you claim exists. All of South Africa's Canadian supporters were convinced that if the terrorist ANC came to power it would lead to genocide against white people. Racists tend to fear the most for their lives because they hate and kill based on ethnicity and think that all humans are as depraved as they are.
Wed, 2024-03-27 15:25
#2525
Racists tend to fear the most for their lives because they hate and kill based on ethnicity and think that all humans are as depraved as they are.
That would effectively explain the actions over the last 75 years of Hamas and other likeminded terrorist groups.
Wed, 2024-03-27 15:36
#2526
kropotkin, you're not fooling everyone. Your solution to the conflict is the destruction of the State of Israel. Like it or not Israel will continue to oppose their destruction.
Wed, 2024-03-27 16:06
#2527
JKR you are not fooling anyone. Your solution is ethnic cleansing of the "terrorists" who all just happen to be Palestinians not Israeli settlers.
Haters like you have no solutions for peace except domination of the other by your group. You keep repeating that those terrorists should just stop trying to defend their homes and get the fuck out of your Jewish country if they are not willing to be in servitude.
Wed, 2024-03-27 16:14
#2528
Kropotkin, I have been abundantly clear. I support a permanent peace agreement. I think a two state solution is the most likely way to establish that but I'm open to other ways to establish a permanent peace agreement including a one state solution like you support if Palestinians and Israelis agree to it.
kropotkin, your characterization of me as supporting ethnic cleansing is a disgusting lie. Your characterization of me as being a "hater" is another disgusting lie. Your reliance on disgusting lies shows how weak your case is. Kropotkin, can you stop making disgusting deceitful ad hominem attacks against me?
Wed, 2024-03-27 16:16
#2529
That would effectively explain the actions over the last 75 years of Hamas and other likeminded terrorist groups.
No Israeli terrorist settlers in this quote. Only one sided racism.
Wed, 2024-03-27 16:29
#2530
I have already often said that the general opinion of most Israeli settlers is also wrong. I have repeatedly said ad nauseum that the solution to this conflict is a permanent peace agreement supported by moderates on both sides of the conflict.
Wed, 2024-03-27 19:20
#2531
No. I'm saying there shouldn't have been a separate sectarian state created.
Jews shouldn't have been chased out of arab countries.
Wed, 2024-03-27 19:29
#2532
kropotkin, your characterization of me as supporting ethnic cleansing is a disgusting lie. Your characterization of me as being a "hater" is another disgusting lie. Your reliance on disgusting lies shows how weak your case is. Kropotkin, can you stop making disgusting deceitful ad hominem attacks against me?
This is the character of the left I've spoken about. There needs to be oppressors and the oppressed. They need to reframe "opponents" in the worst light imaginable so they can position themselves as righteous monster fighters.
You need only look at the posts on October 7th and days after. No concern for Israeli wounded or dead. No concern for prisoners. "Palestinian resistance" was celebrated; ignoring the fact that resistance was rampant murder and torture.
"Mostly women and children" is repeated over and over and over. Not too much concern for the women still being held prisoner.
The left is an incredibly important counter weight to the right. The Israel Palestine war showed the left doesn't hold the moral high ground.
Wed, 2024-03-27 19:29
#2533
Israel's fabrications about the immigration of Arab Jews to Israel are so outrageous that the country holds a commemoration on 30 November each year. This date just happens to coincide with the ethnic cleansing by Zionist gangs of Palestine, which began on 30 November 1947, a day after the UN General Assembly adopted the Partition Plan. The choice of date seeks to implicate Arab Jews in the conquest of Palestine, when most had no role in it.
Erdan alleges that, after the establishment of the Israeli settler-colony, Arab countries "launched a widespread attack against the State of Israel and the thriving Jewish communities that lived within [the Arab world]". Israeli fabrications, with which Israel always hoped to force Arab countries into paying Israel billions of dollars, have a second important goal: to exonerate Israel from its original sin of expelling Palestinians in 1948 and stealing their land and property.
JKR and Paladin really seem to lap up the Zionist propaganda. It is Islamophobia at its worst. Except for taking a gun and going into the Middle East to kill people for NATO.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/big-story/truth-behind-israeli-propaganda-...
Wed, 2024-03-27 19:33
#2534
"Mostly women and children" is repeated over and over and over. Not too much concern for the women still being held prisoner.
One side is the oppressor and the occupier. Canada was the oppressor and occupier when it invaded Afghanistan and we committed unpunished war crimes when destroying Tripoli's civilian infrastructure. Here is a different viewpoint of Israel's "self defence."
It is estimated that over 700,000 Palestinians have been detained by Israel, 10,000 women among them, constituting some 27% of the total population of the occupied Palestinian territory.
Wed, 2024-03-27 19:38
#2535
"Mostly women and children" is repeated over and over and over.
By you as much as anyone else here. Actually you probably wave it around even more.
Not sure why you are on about it; do you think anyone else here has forgotten the fact it is absolutely true?
Do I need to post the articles again which back up the fact?
Wed, 2024-03-27 20:43
#2536
JKR and Paladin really seem to lap up the Zionist propaganda. It is Islamophobia at its worst. Except for taking a gun and going into the Middle East to kill people for NATO.
Once again you make disgustingly false claims that are just vulgar, baseless, despicable, ad hominem attacks. I support Palestine and Israel living side by side in peace which is the exact opposite of wanting people to be killed.
Wed, 2024-03-27 21:25
#2537
It is estimated that over 700,000 Palestinians have been detained by Israel, 10,000 women among them, constituting some 27% of the total population of the occupied Palestinian territory.
Can you explain why the death toll is mostly women and children (I think I seen 70%?) mean while only 1.43% of detained Palestinians are female?
Wed, 2024-03-27 21:27
#2538
By you as much as anyone else here. Actually you probably wave it around even more.
Out of the users here, yes. But it gets brought up in most articles that get cut and pasted.
Not sure why you are on about it; do you think anyone else here has forgotten the fact it is absolutely true?
It's not.
Do I need to post the articles again which back up the fact?
Okay.
Wed, 2024-03-27 21:59
#2539
It's not.
Do I need to post the articles again which back up the fact?
Okay.
We had this converation a week ago.
https://babble.rabble.ca/comment/5751048#comment-5751048
Then you went around the mulberry bush about it all being from Hamas.
No it isn't if you had bothered to read it.
Dumbass.
Wed, 2024-03-27 22:51
#2540
The UN said women and children are the main victims of the war based off numbers from the Gaza ministry of health - whose story from day 1 was "mostly women and children". And some how Israel kills the same number of people EVERY day +/-15% forover 4 months. Sure.
I gave you examples and evidence of the numbers not adding up, which you ignored in you usual confirmation bias way.
Go back and respond to the article I posted.
Wed, 2024-03-27 22:53
#2541
Here's another one that you can not bother reading, and ask for in a week:
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/29/1234159514/gaza-death-toll-30000-palestin...
Though I am surprised you haven't run across these ghouls... even if they are not a reliable source.
Bomb all the hospitals to rubble and you no longer have those "collection points" for data, so you can accuse them of lying. Never mind the Gaza Health Authority's recognition as a reliable source, and its correlation with NGOs and Israeli numbers.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-h...
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ratings/the-washington-institute-for-near...
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/does-pbs-know-that-washin_b_533808
Wed, 2024-03-27 22:54
#2542
How many Hamas fighters have been killed?
Wed, 2024-03-27 22:59
#2543
Here's another one that you can not bother reading, and ask for in a week:
Go back and respond to the article I posted regarding the bogus numbers like a big boy then we'll talk.
Wed, 2024-03-27 23:06
#2544
The UN Factsheet from 2000 isn't exclusive to Gaza, but points out the majority of victims of modern conflict 75-90 percent are civilian, most of those women and children.
The sheer numbers in Gaza are a shock, but the ratio is no surprise at all.
And that NPR article points out the the current numbers are an underestimation, given the number of people who are still under the rubble.
Wed, 2024-03-27 23:22
#2545
Since you aren't reading it... from that NPR article - the death toll only includes those killed as a result of active bombardment.
It doesn't include death by starvation, disease, or lack of proper medical care or any other excess deaths that are very much a result of the genocide.
It also doesn't include the at least 6,800 people missing and presumably under the rubble.
If you want to know why the different numbers from the Health Ministry and from Hamas don't say the same thing, well maybe that is because they aren't counting the same things.
One is a military count of combattants. The other is a conservative estimate of the death toll from Israel's invasion, and one which is certainly an underestimation and incomplete.
Even if it was complete, it wasn't meant to be a count of everyone who has died because of the genocide. It is a count of deaths from direct military action.
Are there people who like to play around with numbers to try and downplay Israeli crimes? Of course, I just threw one at you. It says something that they are not considered trustworthy, while the Palestinian Health Authority is a source that is generally accepted as reliable and corroborated by other sources.
If they wanted to bump up the numbers of dead in the interests of sensationalism, there are thousands there they could use.
They aren't doing that.
Thu, 2024-03-28 10:29
#2546
Unions Are Not Discriminating Against Jews By Showing Support for Palestine
On February 9, the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs (CIJA) announced that 14 federal public servants who are members of the Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC) had filed human rights complaints against their union. The complaints claim that the union’s ongoing opposition to Israel’s genocide in Gaza and its advocacy for human rights in Palestine created a discriminatory environment against them as Jewish members.
This complaint is yet another example of the wilful and dangerous conflation of legitimate criticism of Israel with antisemitism. Those who seek to deny or legitimize Israel’s crimes use this conflation in order to claim that any criticism of Israel or Zionism is antisemitic.
These human rights complaints do not represent the experiences of all Jewish federal public servants, some of whom are IJV members and applaud the unions, community organizations and people of conscience in Canada who are taking action against Israeli genocide, occupation and apartheid. As we work to support a properly negotiated peace in Palestine-Israel, let us be clear that complaints like this, which falsely equate support for Palestinian human rights with antisemitism, deflect from that goal.
Let us call this complaint what it is: a clear attempt to intimidate and strike fear into those who speak out against Israel’s crimes and Canada’s complicity in these crimes. In particular, the complaints demand that PSAC “cease funding of UNRWA,” the UN agency dedicated to supporting Palestinian refugees, revealing their politically-motivated nature. Israel and its defenders seek to defund UNRWA in order to undermine the right of return of Palestinian refugees, the immediate result of which is the starvation and denial of humanitarian aid to 1.7 million Palestinian refugees in Gaza.....
Thu, 2024-03-28 11:23
#2547
Wonder if any whites filed complaints against their unions if they opposed apartheid in South Africa claiming it created a racially discriminatory environment against them .
Thu, 2024-03-28 11:39
#2548
On February 9, the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs (CIJA) announced that 14 federal public servants who are members of the Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC) had filed human rights complaints against their union. The complaints claim that the union’s ongoing opposition to Israel’s genocide in Gaza and its advocacy for human rights in Palestine created a discriminatory environment against them as Jewish members.
That’s not what the human rights complaints by the PSAC workers claim. Maybe show their side in their own words?
Thu, 2024-03-28 12:42
#2549
More on those intentionally low casualty numbers, and the disproportionate effect on women and children:
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/calculate-real-gaza-death-toll
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/29/health-organisatio...
And the conservative assessment of the situation today:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-ma...
Killed: at least 32,552 people, including more than:
More than 13,000 children
8,400 women
Injured: more than 74,980 people, including at least:
8,663 children
6,327 women
Missing: more than 8,000
Thu, 2024-03-28 16:30
#2550
Killed: at least 32,552 people, including more than:
More than 13,000 children
8,400 women
32,552 people killed.
13,000 of them were children, that leaves 19,552 men and women to account for.
8,400 out of 19,552 people killed were women. That leaves 11,152 men killed.
Wouldn't that mean it's mostly men and children killed?
Thu, 2024-03-28 17:02
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..from the global front.
Over 130 UK lawmakers call on government to halt Israel arms sales
Over 130 UK lawmakers have called on the British government to halt arms sales to Israel.
The letter, sent to Foreign Secretary David Cameron and Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch, said the case for doing so was "overwhelming".
Signatories included Labour MP Zarah Sultana, Stephen Flynn, the head of the Scottish National Party in Westminster, and independent MP and former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.
They were joined by members of the House of Lords, the UK's upper house of parliament, including Conservative Nosheena Mobarik, Liberal Democrat Jonathan Oates, and the Green Party's Natalie Bennett.
"We write as cross-party parliamentarians calling on you to immediately suspend export licences for arms transfers to Israel," the lawmakers' letter said.
It added that the UN Secretary-General António Guterres, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch were among those to say Israel has carried out serious breaches of international law in Gaza.
We must not be complicit in Israel's war crimes.
But Israel uses British-made arms in Gaza & our government still sells it weapons......