South Africa vs Israel

637 posts / 0 new
Last post
josh

Paladin1 wrote:
epaulo13 wrote:
Tell Canada: Support the ICJ decision, end the genocide in Gaza!

Did the ICJ end up calling for a ceasefire?

Israel will pursue its war against Hamas until victory and will not be stopped by anyone, including the world court, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on January 13, as the fighting in Gaza approached the 100-day mark.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/netanyahu-says-no-one-can-ha...

Paladin1

josh wrote:

Israel will pursue its war against Hamas until victory and will not be stopped by anyone, including the world court, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on January 13, as the fighting in Gaza approached the 100-day mark.

Which is even more reason the ICJ should demand a ceasefire. But I just read they did not.

After all that hoopla the ICJ decided to give Israel a bunch of conditions that they're already doing. Except now they have to report it to the ICJ.

So what happened to the big ceasefire demand?

kropotkin1951

Paladin1 wrote:
epaulo13 wrote:
Tell Canada: Support the ICJ decision, end the genocide in Gaza!

Did the ICJ end up calling for a ceasefire?

With that one question you have proven that you either do not read what others post or you are just trolling.

NDPP

Palestinian Analyst Expresses Why ICJ Means Big Trouble For Israel[MUST WATCH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egp4pfCzo40

"This is the truth about the ICJ ruling against Israel that most of our media won't discuss, with Mouin Rabbani, a brilliant researcher, analyst and communicator..."

NDPP

Canada: Call On Israel To Fully Comply With ICJ Interim Ruling in Genocide Case

https://www.ceasefire.ca/canada-call-on-israel-to-fully-comply-with-icj-...

'Everything Israel does from now on is under the legal microscope. True friends of Israel should be forthrightly urging it to fully comply with the ICJ ruling, not implicitly shielding it through deafening silence.'

We call on the Prime Minister of Canada to immediately issue a statement confirming Canada's intention, in light of the ICJ provisional order, to meet all its obligations under the Genocide Convention,

to call on all parties including Israel to do likewise, and to draw particular attention to the urgency of Israeli compliance with the order to 'take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assisstance' to Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

WE REITERATE OUR CALL FOR CANADA TO SUSPEND ALL MILITARY TRANSFERS TO ISRAEL, TO AVOID ANY POSSIBILITY OF COMPLICITY IN GENOCIDE.

WE CALL ON CANADA TO REDOUBLE DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS FOR AN IMMEDIATE DURABLE HUMANITARIAN CEASEFIRE.

NOW IS THE TIME FOR EVER MORE DIRECT  PRESSURE ON THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA FROM CANADIAN CITIZENS.

Click here to sign the parliamentary e-petition calling for an end to Canada's arms transfers to Israel...And find your local Member of Parliament here..."

[email protected]

Paladin1

kropotkin1951 wrote:
Paladin1 wrote:
epaulo13 wrote:
Tell Canada: Support the ICJ decision, end the genocide in Gaza!

Did the ICJ end up calling for a ceasefire?

With that one question you have proven that you either do not read what others post or you are just trolling.

I wasn't reading what others posted. I don;t check the forum every day and I don;t always read through the 30 or 50 unread posts I see. Most of the time it's just cut and paste articles with no context.

I thought this was bogus and the ICJ were going to rubber stamp it. Looks like I was wrong and even the UN, who fired people for working WITH Hamas, won't support the dumb ceasefire idea. Imagine that.

josh

The ICJ is not the U.N.  And it's not surprising that a court will be reluctant to enter an order that it knows one side will ignore when it has no mechanism to enforce it.

NDPP

Biden Justifies Cutting UN Aid To Gaza With Testimony By Palestinian Detainees Tortured Into Confessions By Israeli Security Services

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1751110691103113456

Canada Pauses Funding To UN Relief Agency Over Workers' Possible Role in Oct 7 Attack on Israel

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/unrwa-israel-raids-investigations-1.7095676

"US also suspends funding to UNRWA..."

UNRWA has hundreds of Palestinian workers - Israel managed to torture only 7 into 'confessing'? Naturally good doggy 'Genocide Justin' follows 'Genocide Joe'.

This is monstrous. What a time to cut deperately needed funding for humanitarian operations for the Palestinians!

NDPP

"...The US/UK/Canada/Australia is likely going to starve 1m children as punishment for the ICJ Decision..."

https://twitter.com/Resist_05/status/1751427919849852963

Collective punishment applied on behalf of USrael by supportive vassal genocidaires including Canada's Trudeau. Pure malevolence.

[email protected]

This cretinous USraeli creature must go.

NDPP

The Following 7 Countries Have Suspended UNRWA Funding...

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonCH/status/175138192861564977

"Been doing this a while and this may be the fakest, most cynical controversy I've ever seen.

Evidence free innuendo, laughably obvious in its timing, bully tactics, grimy demagoguery - all to buy time for what is now a well documented genocide. Bottom of the barrel desperation."

 

International Lawyer Francis Boyle Says...

https://twitter.com/samhusseini/status/1751318841232122202

"Francis Boyle states that with states cutting off funding to UNRWA, it is 'no longer the case of these states aiding and abetting Israeli Genocide against the Palestinians in violation of Genocide Convention article 3(e) criminalizing 'complicity' in genocide.

These states are now also directly violating Genocide Convention article 2(c) by themselves: 'Directly inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part."

Advancing 'Western Values' (&vid)

https://twitter.com/FAWZIALAJI/status/1751347854650544420

"And trying to 'erase Gaza'."

JKR

Paladin1 wrote:
josh wrote:

Israel will pursue its war against Hamas until victory and will not be stopped by anyone, including the world court, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on January 13, as the fighting in Gaza approached the 100-day mark.

Which is even more reason the ICJ should demand a ceasefire. But I just read they did not.

After all that hoopla the ICJ decided to give Israel a bunch of conditions that they're already doing. Except now they have to report it to the ICJ.

So what happened to the big ceasefire demand?

It seems like the current ICJ didn’t want history to show that they went against international law and supported antisemitism. The ICJ couldn’t get around the basic fact that under international law Israel has the right to defend itself.

epaulo13

Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated

IMPORTANT: These aren’t the whole 500 statements in our collection. The page will be regularly updated, expanding sources until the entire database—including existing and new instances—is uploaded. Please continue to follow this page for updates until Law for Palestine announces completion.

Since the commencement of our investigative efforts on October 7th, 2023, Law for Palestine has meticulously amassed a compelling body of evidence exposing the proliferation of incitement to violence and genocidal intent perpetrated by Israeli officials and public figures, against Palestinians. Our documentation encompasses over 500 incitements of violence and genocidal incitement, appearing in the forms of social media posts, television interviews, and official statements from Israeli politicians, army personnel, journalists, and other influential personalities.

These reprehensible incitements have been categorized into significant thematic areas, including genocidal intent, forced displacement, and collective punishment. What makes this evidence all the more disconcerting is its origin, emanating from the upper echelons of the Israeli government, including the President, Prime Minister, Knesset members, military personnel, and law enforcement.

Law for Palestine now publishes this database as a crucial resource for use by the international community, resolute in our commitment to combat the impunity that Israel enjoys and work to bring an end to the ongoing genocide against the Palestinian people. Together, let us stand united in the pursuit of justice and the cessation of atrocities against the Palestinian people.

The thematic areas that are already uploaded (and will be constantly expanded) are statements and incitement by:

Decision makers Version 1 (04.01.2024) – Click Version 2 (15.01.2024) – Click

Army personnel and officers Version 1 (04.01.2024) – Click Version 2 (15.01.2024) – Click

LegislatorsVersion 1 (04.01.2024) – Click Version 2 (15.01.2024) – Click

Journalists and influencers—Version 1 (15.01.2024) – Click

Public Expressions—Version 1 (15.01.2024) – Click

* To download a PDF file that includes the three documents merged together, click here – version 1 (04.01.2024) and here version 2 (15.01.2024) *

kropotkin1951

The ICJ did not order a cease fire because it addresses governmenal actions and orders governments to do specific things. Since it has no authority to order non governmental authorities then it can't order a ceasefire. It instead listed all the things that Israel must do to prove it is not committing genocide because South Africa brought a "plausible" case to the court.  It ordered it to stop killing Palestinian civilians and to allow humanitarian aid in the quantities required to flow into Gaza. It cannot continue its indiscriminate bombing and murder of civilians (some carrying white flags)and follow the order. It also calls on Israel to ensure that its media does not continue to broadcast enticements to genocide.

1. The court ordered Israel to “take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope” of the U.N. convention on genocide. Referring to protecting Palestinian civilians, the court said Israel should work to prevent “killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.” Approved in a 15-2 vote.

2. The court ordered Israel to “ensure with immediate effect that its military does not commit any acts described in point 1 above.” Approved in a 15-2 vote.

3. The court said Israel “shall take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip.” Approved in a 16-1 vote.

4. Israel was ordered to “take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions of life faced by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.” Approved in a 16-1 vote.

5. The court ordered Israel to “take effective measures to prevent the destruction and ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations of acts within the scope” of the relevant articles in the genocide convention. Approved in a 15-2 vote.

6. The court said Israel “shall submit a report to the court on all measures taken to give effect to this order within one month as from the date of this order.” Approved in a 15-2 vote.

https://apnews.com/article/icj-ruling-israel-gaza-genocide-3fa0908d995cc...

 

epaulo13

“I HAVE LOST EVERYTHING”: IN FEDERAL COURT, PALESTINIANS ACCUSE BIDEN OF COMPLICITY IN GENOCIDE

IN A MOMENTOUS day for the quest to keep Israel and its allies accountable for its brutal war on Gaza, members of leading Palestinian human rights groups, residents of Gaza, and Palestinian Americans argued in a U.S. District Court on Friday that the Biden administration should halt its financial and military support for Israel and uphold its obligations to prevent genocide.

quote:

The hearing commenced hours after the International Court of Justice in The Hague found that it’s plausible that Israel has committed acts of genocide in Gaza, in a case brought by South Africa. While the United Nations court fell short of ordering an immediate ceasefire, a panel of judges delivered a historic set of rulings and denied Israel’s request to dismiss the case. A final resolution in that case is expected to take years.

Lawyers involved with the lawsuit playing out in federal court said that the ICJ ruling bolsters their case. Their lawsuit argues that Biden, Blinken, and Austin are liable under U.S. law for failing to uphold their obligation to prevent genocide in Gaza. In Oakland, dozens of people lined up outside the courthouse hours before the hearing on Friday, according to organizers on the ground, while the Zoom stream reached its capacity of 1,000 people tuning in.

quote:

Laila el-Haddad, a Palestinian American writer and one of the plaintiffs in the case, described her neighborhood being reduced to “a large pile of sand” and the killing of dozens of her relatives, including some who were buried in mass graves. 

“My family is being killed on my dime,” she told the court. “President Biden could, with one phone call, put an end to this.” 

Questions of Law

At the hearing, U.S. Judge Jeffrey S. White went to some length to state the impact of Israel’s war on Palestinian civilians and the U.S. government’s support for it but indicated the case might ultimately hinge on questions of jurisdiction. 

“The Palestinian people are living in fear and without food, medical care, clean water, or sufficient humanitarian aid. Defendants — the president of the United States and his secretaries of state and defense — have provided substantial military, financial, and diplomatic support to Israel,” he said. 

“However, the primary concern for this court is the limitation of its own jurisdictional reach.” 

He later described the case as one of the “the most difficult” of his career. “You have been seen, you have been heard by this court,” he told the plaintiffs. “I’m going to take it extremely seriously.”

CCR and Justice Department attorneys deliberated for more than an hour about the court’s standing to hear the case. Attorneys for the plaintiffs referenced a different legal case accusing Russia of genocide in Ukraine, which the U.S. government has supported, to point to the Biden administration’s awareness of its responsibility to take steps to prevent genocide.

Katherine Gallagher, a senior attorney at CCR, stressed that the case is not a “wholesale challenge to U.S. military support to Israel.” 

“This case does not present the court with a political question,” she added. “These are not questions of policy. These are questions of law.”

Justice Department attorney Jean Lin, for her part, referenced a legal concept known as the “political question doctrine” to argue the court has no authority over foreign policy matters. “It’s a long-standing doctrine that the court has no jurisdiction to enjoin the president in his exercise of official duties,” she said.

“This court is not the proper forum,” she said in her closing remarks......

epaulo13

..more from above.

quote:

A Historic Case 

CCR’s 89-page complaintOpens in a new tab lays out, in painstaking detail, statements of genocidal intent by Israeli officials, paired with affirmations by U.S. officials that they would back Israel’s war effort with every tool at their disposal. 

“The highest level of Israel’s senior political and military leadership made statements on October 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, laying out that they intended, in effect, to destroy Gaza,” Gallagher, a senior staff attorney at CCR and one of the lead attorneys on the case, said on Intercepted last week. “And as the statements of intent were being made, senior levels of the United States government — including President Biden, Secretary of State Blinken, and Secretary of Defense Austin — were likewise making declarations about their intentions in the coming days, weeks, months … And that was to give unconditional and complete support to Israel.”

Under international law, the crime of genocide is defined as the intention to destroy or partially destroy a group of people based on their ethnic, religious, racial, or national identity, either by direct killing or by the creation of conditions making life impossible. While Israel has for decades flouted international law standards and ignored rebukes, including by the ICJ, the Israeli government’s actions in the aftermath of the Hamas attacks were “qualitatively different,” Gallagher said.....

epaulo13

..with the halting of UNRWA palestinians are being starved into some possible upcoming submission/agreement. there is no denying what hedges is saying. 

Chris Hedges: It may be genocide, but it won’t be stopped

quote:

Time is not on the side of the Palestinians. Thousands of Palestinians will die within a month. Palestinians in Gaza make up 80 percent of all the people facing famine or catastrophic hunger worldwide, according to the United Nations. The entire population of Gaza by early February is projected to lack sufficient food, with half a million people suffering from starvation, according to the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, drawing on data from UN agencies and NGOs. The famine is engineered by Israel.

At best, the court—while it will not rule for a few years on whether Israel is committing genocide—has given legal license to use the word “genocide” to describe what Israel is doing in Gaza. This is very significant, but it is not enough, given the humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza.....

epaulo13
JKR

epaulo13 wrote:

The United Nations court fell short of ordering an immediate ceasefire

They didn’t support a ceasefire. What does that tell you?

josh

That they're not going to issue an order that one side already said it would not follow.  

JKR

That explains why traffic tickets aren’t issued against people who never pay their traffic tickets.

epaulo13

..we don't know what the ruling means. if israel doesn't comply within a certain amout of time another ruling could come out. 

..like one expert said:

quote:

 So it’s just a beginning of a process that, really, I think, now with a ruling that basically recognizes the possibility of genocide, the fact that Israel is likely committing genocidal acts — this is a beginning of a process of isolating Israel, because any university, company, state now will have to consider, moving forward, whether it continues — or doesn’t continue, in many cases, I think — to engage with Israel, because it is likely committing genocide. This also legally triggers third-state responsibility on issues of prevention and complicity with genocide.

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:
That explains why traffic tickets aren’t issued against people who never pay their traffic tickets.
Do you think that Israel should follow the order that ICJ did make?

josh

JKR wrote:
That explains why traffic tickets aren’t issued against people who never pay their traffic tickets.

You’re comparing an order to stop a war to issuing a traffic ticket?

epaulo13

..i believe that israel is taking the ruling seriously. or parts of the israeli gov is, as well as the us. which is why they are working so hard (starving the palestinians) to get some kind of agreement/submission that will put them in compliance with the court order. that will end the assault and save face.

JKR

kropotkin1951 wrote:
JKR wrote:
That explains why traffic tickets aren’t issued against people who never pay their traffic tickets.
Do you think that Israel should follow the order that ICJ did make?

Yes.

JKR

josh wrote:
JKR wrote:
That explains why traffic tickets aren’t issued against people who never pay their traffic tickets.

You’re comparing an order to stop a war to issuing a traffic ticket?

I’m saying you’re overlooking that through international law Israel has a right to defend itself and that is a basic tenet of international law.

JKR

epaulo13 wrote:

..i believe that israel is taking the ruling seriously. or parts of the israeli gov is, as well as the us. which is why they are working so hard (starving the palestinians) to get some kind of agreement/submission that will put them in compliance with the court order. that will end the assault and save face.

Pretty convoluted theory. Maybe they’re complying with international law because it’s the right thing to do?

epaulo13

International Court draws a line in the sand for Israel

quote:

There is an Israeli judge on the panel, Aharon Barak. He voted in favour of two of the orders: the one concerning incitement to genocide and the order to assure Israel allows for the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance in Gaza.

epaulo13

The brutality and inhumanity of Israel’s assault on Gaza is no surprise. It’s just what was promised

It always starts with words. Genocide is largely remembered for its depraved acts, but it is incubated in language. Words can cast dark spells on a population, stirring hatred in those who otherwise see themselves as moderate, humane, normal.

This is why the genocide convention of 1948 criminalises “direct and public incitement to commit genocide”. Like Britain, Israel was a signatory nation and, two years later, it translated the convention into domestic law. There were four acts, it decreed, that leave the offender “treated like a person guilty of genocide”: one is “incitement to commit genocide”.

As the British lawyer Daniel Machover tells me, Israel has a legal obligation to prosecute those who incite genocide. But instead, since the grave war crimes committed against Israeli civilians by Hamas and other armed groups on 7 October, government ministers, parliamentarians, army officers and journalists have indulged in the language of extermination. This chilling phenomenon has few historical precedents, because usually instigators of genocide go to great lengths to cover up their crimes. As Raz Segal – an Israeli-American associate professor of genocide and Holocaust studies – tells me, Israel’s onslaught on Gaza is unique “in the sense of discussing it as what I think it is – that is, genocide – because the intent is so clearly articulated. And it’s articulated throughout Israeli media and society and politics.”......

Michael Moriarity

JKR wrote:

Pretty convoluted theory. Maybe they’re complying with international law because it’s the right thing to do?

'Hague Shmague,' Says Top Israeli Minister After ICJ Genocide Ruling

JKR

Many Israelis feel The Hague is biased against Israel.

josh

Of course.  Easier to claim bias than to face up to your transgressions.

Michael Moriarity

JKR wrote:

Many Israelis feel The Hague is biased against Israel.

Have you ever watched the film Judgment at Nuremburg? The German defence attorney makes some pretty strong arguments that the tribunal was biased against Germany. I'm sure many Germans in real life agreed with this.

JKR

After centuries of persecution by Christians and Muslims many Jewish people have no confidence in the fairness of Christians and Muslims judging them.

josh

They're not judging a people.  They're judging the actions of a political state.  

JKR

For centuries antisemites have said they are not being antisemitic but are just fairly judging the actions of Jewish people.

Michael Moriarity

JKR wrote:

After centuries of persecution by Christians and Muslims many Jewish people have no confidence in the fairness of Christians and Muslims judging them.

Well, you can't have it both ways. You are constantly insisting that peace can only come about if everyone obeys international law, both in this discussion, and the one about Ukraine. Yet now, you claim that because of historical bigotry and mistreatment (which is totally real) Jews are an exception, and they are justified in ignoring and even mocking the rulings of the world's highest international court. You have to choose one.

epaulo13

JKR wrote:
kropotkin1951 wrote:
Do you think that Israel should follow the order that ICJ did make?

Yes.

JKR

Michael Moriarity wrote:
JKR wrote:

After centuries of persecution by Christians and Muslims many Jewish people have no confidence in the fairness of Christians and Muslims judging them.

Well, you can't have it both ways. You are constantly insisting that peace can only come about if everyone obeys international law, both in this discussion, and the one about Ukraine. Yet now, you claim that because of historical bigotry and mistreatment (which is totally real) Jews are an exception, and they are justified in ignoring and even mocking the rulings of the world's highest international court. You have to choose one.

I never said Jews should ignore international law. I said that Jews have every reason not to trust Christians and Muslims fairly determining how Jews are treated. I think Israel should strictly adhere to international law. I also think Christians and Muslims tend to treat Jews differently than Christians and Muslims.

kropotkin1951

I think that JKR just highlighted the reason that religion should never be mixed with politics. I find his characterization of judicial bodies and the jurists interesting and points to the problem with seeing conflicts through the eyes of religion. He is stating that we do not have any judicial systems only religious ones.

In a proper judicial system the lawyers who sit on courts are not members of some faith group or another they are jurists. I do however agree with you that religious people from the three main West Asian religions, whether they are Christian , Moslem or Jewish should not be trusted as jurists because they all believe in versions of an evil book that tells believers to kill one's enemies in brutal and ignominious ways in the name of a mythical boogeyman. That is why in international courts and in Canadian courts we have judges trained in law and not the Bible or the Koran or the Torah.

Israel is a country engaged in war crimes that are quite plausibly genocide. Many people of Jewish background rightly say not in my name. There is no excuse for what Israel is doing to the people of Gaza, it is a hate crime on a monumental scale.

epaulo13

..i don't have confidence in the icj. courts are entities created by politics. and the icj is vulnerable to politics as all courts are.

..the icj became an option when the un failed to stop the slaughter. just like it failed to end the occupation. certainly the icc is going nowhere on the very same issues. 

NDPP

Craig Murray: UN Court Spurned Israel's Key Argument

https://consortiumnews.com/2024/01/29/craig-murray-un-court-spurned-isra...

"...That the ICJ has not affirmed Israel's right to self defence is perhaps the most important point in the interim order.

It is the dog that did not bark. The argument which every Western leader has been using is spurned by the ICJ..."

Michael Moriarity

JKR wrote:

I never said Jews should ignore international law. I said that Jews have every reason not to trust Christians and Muslims fairly determining how Jews are treated. I think Israel should strictly adhere to international law. I also think Christians and Muslims tend to treat Jews differently than Christians and Muslims.

You were actually justifying the action of Israeli minister of national security, Itamar Ben-Gvir, in referring to the ICJ ruling as "Hague Schmague". What a slippery and dishonest debater you can be.

NDPP

Israel's Execution of 3 Palestinians in Hospital is a Double Crime

https://twitter.com/EuroMedHR/status/1752414731208446193

"Euro-Med Monitor emphasized that the Israeli forces have committed a complex crime in which there are multiple violations of the rules of international humanitarian law..."

"Don't you know it's antisemitic to hold Israel to international law..?"

https://twitter.com/richimedhurst/status/1752031723288686873

JKR

kropotkin1951 wrote:

I think that JKR just highlighted the reason that religion should never be mixed with politics. I find his characterization of judicial bodies and the jurists interesting and points to the problem with seeing conflicts through the eyes of religion. He is stating that we do not have any judicial systems only religious ones.

In a proper judicial system the lawyers who sit on courts are not members of some faith group or another they are jurists. I do however agree with you that religious people from the three main West Asian religions, whether they are Christian , Moslem or Jewish should not be trusted as jurists because they all believe in versions of an evil book that tells believers to kill one's enemies in brutal and ignominious ways in the name of a mythical boogeyman.

Judicial systems are obviously fallible. One glaring example is how Indigenous people have been treated unfairly by legal systems throughout the world. Indigenous people in Canada for instance have every reason to believe that the International legal system and the Canadian legal system have been very biased and unfair towards them. Throughout history minorities have continually been treated very unfairly by majorities. Majority populations of both Christians and Muslims have established legal systems that benefit themselves and are not fair to minorities like Indigenous peoples and Jewish people.

JKR

Michael Moriarity wrote:
JKR wrote:

I never said Jews should ignore international law. I said that Jews have every reason not to trust Christians and Muslims fairly determining how Jews are treated. I think Israel should strictly adhere to international law. I also think Christians and Muslims tend to treat Jews differently than Christians and Muslims.

You were actually justifying the action of Israeli minister of national security, Itamar Ben-Gvir, in referring to the ICJ ruling as "Hague Schmague". What a slippery and dishonest debater you can be.

Obviously Itamar Ben Gvir feels the ICJ is not to be trusted as a fair arbiter of Israel. Many people also feel the ICJ is flawed judicially including epaulo13 earlier in this thread. Do you think judicial systems don’t have systemic biases?

NDPP

Ongoing Genocide Caused By Judicial Suppression of the 'Existing' Aboriginal Rights

https://electromagneticprint.com/bruce-clark

"In ten succinct and very readable articles, Dr Clark shows that constitutional fraud and usurpation-as-genocide continue as the modus operandi of the Canadian settler-state."

NDPP

Simple Truths (thread)

https://twitter.com/normanfinkelstein/status/1752187550138339656

"Behind the contrived hysteria of UNRWA lurks Western fury at the ICJ decision; If Israel is plausibly guilty of genocide, then the 'enlightened' West stands guilty of complicity in genocide...

No business as usual - No commerce, No trade - while Gaza is crucified!"

epaulo13

Indigenous people in Canada for instance

including epaulo13 earlier in this thread

What a slippery and dishonest debater you can be.

..mm has it right.

epaulo13

Irish government votes against backing South Africa's genocide case against Israel at ICJ

A motion that urged Ireland's government to back South Africa's genocide case against Israel at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) was defeated in parliament on Wednesday.

A motion introduced at the Dail, parliament's lower house, by the Social Democrats with cross-party backing from Labour, Sinn Fein and People Before Profit was voted down by the governing coalition of Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and the Green Party.

The motion had called for the Irish government to immediately and formally support South Africa's charges of genocide against Israel as it wages war on the Gaza Strip.

A government counter-motion, which said it would "strongly consider" intervening in the South Africa v Israel case after the ICJ has made its order on preliminary measures, was passed by 71 votes to 62.

The vote came as thousands of pro-Palestine activists protested outside Leinster House, the seat of Ireland’s parliament, in support of Ireland intervening immediately in favour of the South African case......

 

Protesters rallied outside the Irish parliament in support of the motion [Getty]

Pages