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epaulo13

..maybe they would have if they had been held under brutal israeli like occupation for 56 years. or even worse living in gaza for the past 16.   

josh

JKR wrote:

Did Jews ever attack Germany like Palestinians attacked Israel on October 7?

What does that have to do with what was posted?

kropotkin1951

JKR you are advocating for collective punishment. Did all Palestinians attack Israel on Oct 7th. You invoke self defense but you never define where the line of self defense ends for Palestinians compared to the IDF.

If the Palestinian forces had only killed IDF personnel including the military reserve forces, that by the way use the civilians they live with as human shields, would you say that was acceptable as self defense against an internationally recognized brutal occupation?

JKR

epaulo13 wrote:

..maybe they would have if they had been held under brutal israeli like occupation for 56 years. or even worse living in gaza for the past 16.   

Did the Jews go to war against Germany numerous times like Arab countries have during the 75 years before the Holocaust?

JKR

[quote=kropotkin1951:
JKR you are advocating for collective punishment. Did all Palestinians attack Israel on Oct 7th. You invoke self defense but you never define where the line of self defense ends for Palestinians compared to the IDF.

If the Palestinian forces had only killed IDF personnel including the military reserve forces, that by the way use the civilians they live with as human shields, would you say that was acceptable as self defense against an internationally recognized brutal occupation?
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Israel is saying that they are attempting to remove Hamas from being in a position to commit future October 7ths and are not engaged in collective punishment. They say their goal is to remove Hamas’s ability to attack Israel again as Hamas did on October 7.

Palestinian political and military leaders have the right to go to war with Israel but they and the people they represent also have to bear the consequences of their actions.

epaulo13

..enough with the questions jkr. i don't agree what your asking matters to the courts. i made a post that had a point. you disagree fine.

melovesproles

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they and the people they represent also have to bear the consequences of their actions.

Yeah, the predominantly child population of Palestine have to pay for any resistance to Israel's ongoing settlement and occupation of their territories. More pro-genocide drivel.

kropotkin1951

JKR you are as convincing as this lying Israeli spokesperson.  You both agree that Israel is allowed to kill as many Palestinians as it needs to to ensure that no Palestinian will ever again think about fighting back against oppression. Ethnic cleansing is just a means to peace and security not a war crime.

I hear his vile propaganda in your posts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRNFGu-EjMg

josh

In every place we were there was only sand left and houses on the ground. In every home… in Gaza there is no innocence.” A battalion commander at the radio today.

https://x.com/PeruginiNic/status/1747358689743220933?s=20

JKR

[quote=kropotkin1951:

JKR you are as convincing as this lying Israeli spokesperson.  You both agree that Israel is allowed to kill as many Palestinians as it needs to to ensure that no Palestinian will ever again think about fighting back against oppression. Ethnic cleansing is just a means to peace and security not a war crime.

I hear his vile propaganda in your posts.

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Your unending ad hominem attacks and false accusations against me are getting tiresome. I’ve never said that that Israel should be “allowed to kill as many Palestinians as it needs to to ensure that no Palestinian will ever again think about fighting back against oppression.” That’s a lie. That’s yet another one of your false ad hominem attacks. Maybe instead of engaging in false ad hominem attacks you could try sticking to the facts without engaging in personal attacks?

josh
kropotkin1951

Palestinian political and military leaders have the right to go to war with Israel but they and the people they represent also have to bear the consequences of their actions.

It is true that I paraphrased your feelings set out in this post that states clearly any resistance will be met with IDF punishment, like it has for decades. That IDF response has always included the killing of mostly civilians.  The body count prior to Oct 7th was 10 to 1 for the IDF so what exactly are the consequences you speak of? The logic reminds of the old saying, "the beatings will continue until morale improves."

JKR

Israel would say its actions are primarily based on defence and not based on punishment.

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

Israel would say its actions are primarily based on defence and not based on punishment.

The 10 to 1 ratio would make most people think they were lying.

NDPP

"Israel is a lie machine." John Pilger

True. Relentlessly.

josh

JKR wrote:

Israel would say its actions are primarily based on defence and not based on punishment.

Actually, if you’ve been following, members of the government have clearly indicated that it is the latter not the former.

JKR

kropotkin1951 wrote:
JKR wrote:

Israel would say its actions are primarily based on defence and not based on punishment.

The 10 to 1 ratio would make most people think they were lying.

It would also make many people also think it’s a war crime that Gaza’s military is attacking Israel from behind and under hospitals, day cares, schools, elderly homes, mosques, public buildings, homes, and behind civilians.

JKR

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Actually, if you’ve been following, members of the government have clearly indicated that it is the latter not the former.
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You’re taking them out of context to dehumanize them. Israel has clearly stated they are acting in their defense against aggression from Gaza’s Hamas military that wants to destroy Israel and murder all Israeli Jews like they did on October 7th.

josh

Out of context?  Their words speak for themselves.  Dehumanize them?  No, they're dehumanizing the Palestinians in Gaza.  To justify their slaughter of thousands and thousands of civilians.  

JKR

Their words are being twisted to support dehumanizing Jewish Israelis. They’re purposely disingenuously replacing “Hamas” with “Palestinians.”  

NDPP

How the Israeli Army Used 95-Year-Old Veteran of Deir Yessin Massacre Ezra Yachin to 'Motivate' The Troops.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/01/17/zzih-j17.html

"...Be triumphant and finish them off and don't leave anyone behind. Erase the memory of them. Erase them, their families, mothers and children. These animals can no longer live...

Arabs here could attack us. Every Jew with a weapon should go out and kill them. If you have an Arab neighbor, don't wait, go to his house and shoot him.

We will witness things we've never dreamed of. Let them drop bombs on them and erase them. All of the prophesies sent by the prophets are about to occur..."

josh

“Their words are being twisted to support dehumanizing Jewish Israelis. They’re purposely disingenuously replacing “Hamas” with “Palestinians.””

"There are no innocent civilians in Gaza," Herzog said on October 14.

"Bring down buildings!! Bomb without distinction!! Flatten Gaza. Without mercy! This time, there is no room for mercy!," wished Revital Gottlieb, a member of the Israeli Knesset.

If all of Gaza are refugees, then let's scatter them in the world. There are 2.5m people there, each country would take in 20K people" suggested Ram Ben Barak, member of the Israeli Knesset.

“We are the people of the light, they are the people of darkness...“. Netanyahu.

“There are no innocent people in the Gaza Strip.” Lieberman.

epaulo13

South African lawyers prepare case against US, UK for 'complicity in Gaza war crimes'

South African lawyers are preparing a lawsuit against the governments of the US and UK over alleged complicity in Israeli war crimes against Palestinians.

A group of around 50 lawyers led by South African attorney Wilkus Van Rensburg are working with lawyers from the US and UK to take their case to civil courts.

"The United States must now be held accountable for the crimes it committed," Van Rensburg told Turkey state news agency Anadolu, saying that his initiative has received lots of support from legal colleagues....

epaulo13

Israel’s right to tyranny

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At this point, however, the ICJ’s impending decisions are secondary to the lessons that ought to be drawn from the proceedings. One key takeaway, which has yet to fully register in Western policy circles, is the vacuity of Israel’s claim of “defense” to explain the wanton devastation wrought upon the besieged Strip.

Indeed, from its oral arguments in The Hague to its actions on the ground, Israel has made it abundantly clear that it is not asking the court to respect its right to self-defense. What it really wants is for the world to indulge Israel’s right to tyranny: to violently redesign its geopolitical environment, to secure its military and demographic dominance, and to do whatever it wishes to the Palestinians without criticism or consequence.

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The total shielding of Israel’s ruthless war has clearly struck a nerve beyond Palestine. Astounded by Germany’s planned intervention in the ICJ case, Namibian President Hage Geingob called out his country’s former colonizer for its selective memory of the atrocities it has to repent for, citing Germany’s campaign against the Herero and Namaqua peoples as “the first genocide of the 20th century,” three decades before the Holocaust. When a U.S.-led coalition launched air strikes against Houthi rebels in Yemen for disrupting the Red Sea’s trade routes — which the rebels declared was intended to compel an end to the Gaza assault — the hypocrisy was even starker; it seemed Washington would rather escalate a regional war than ask Israel to agree to a ceasefire.

For much of the Global South, these skewed responses from Western powers are hardly an oversight; they are indicative of the victims that the latter deem worthy of being mourned and protected in the international order. As if to make that point crystal clear, President Biden marked the 100th day of the Gaza war by extending his support to the 130 Israeli hostages still held in Gaza, without any mention of the more than 24,000 Palestinians killed, supposedly, in the name of retrieving those captives.....

NDPP

Indonesia To Show Israel's 'Blatant' Violations of International Law at World Court

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2442471/world

"Indonesia is preparing legal arguments for an ICJ hearing to challenge Israel's [illegal] occupation of Palestine, Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi said on Tuesday.

The ICJ, which is also known as the World Court, will hold public hearings on Feb 19 at The Hague, where parties are scheduled to give their views on the legal consequences of Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories.

The ICJ will eventually issue a non-binding advisory opinion for the UN General Assembly, which adopted a resolution for the request in December 2022, before the latest Israeli escalation that has killed over 24,000 Palestinians and displaced 1.9 million.

'Indonesia supports the General Assembly's  effort in requesting an advisory opinion from the ICJ, because international law must be upheld,' Marsudi said ahead of a discussion with international law experts in Jakarta.

She said it was necessary to build a comprehensive legal opinion 'to show the world Israel's blatant violations of international law against Palestine.'

She declared as illegal Tel Aviv's annexation of Palestinian territories, its settlements in the West Bank and decision to change the status of Jerusalem.

'Our deliberations today will not only support Indonesia's diplomacy, but to support the enforcement of world order according to international law and to support our Palestinian brothers and sisters to achieve their independence..."

epaulo13

Israel president hit with criminal complaint in Switzerland: prosecutors

Israeli President Isaac Herzog has been targeted with a criminal complaint during a visit to Switzerland, Swiss prosecutors said Friday, amid allegations of crimes against humanity over the war in Gaza.

The Federal Prosecutor's Office (BA) confirmed that it had received a criminal complaint against the Israeli president, who was at the World Economic Forum's annual meeting in Davos on Thursday to discuss the Gaza war.

"The criminal complaints will now be examined in accordance with the usual procedure," BA said in a statement, adding that it was in contact with the foreign ministry "to examine the question of the immunity of the person concerned".

It did not say what the specific complaints were, or who had filed them.

But a statement allegedly issued by the people behind the complaint, entitled "Legal Action Against Crimes Against Humanity" and obtained by AFP, said several unnamed individuals had filed charges with federal prosecutors and with cantonal authorities in Basel, Bern and Zurich.

The statement said the plaintiffs were seeking a criminal prosecution in parallel to a case brought before the UN's International Court of Justice by South Africa, which accuses Israel of genocide in its air and ground offensive in Gaza.

Addressing the issue of immunity, the statement suggested that it could be lifted "in certain circumstances", including in cases of alleged crimes against humanity, adding that "these conditions are met in this case".

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Herzog told the Davos forum that Israel had launched its campaign in "self-defence" and again condemned the South Africa case as "outrageous".

"They (South Africa) basically support the atrocities and barbarism that we have seen on October 7," he said, adding that Israel was concerned about the destruction in Gaza.

"We care. It is painful for us that our neighbours are suffering so much," he said.

"But how else can we defend ourselves if our enemies decided to entrench themselves in an infrastructure of terror of unbelievable size and scope?" he said.

epaulo13

..from #75

One key takeaway, which has yet to fully register in Western policy circles, is the vacuity of Israel’s claim of “defense” to explain the wanton devastation wrought upon the besieged Strip.

vacuity - noun

1: an empty space

2: the state, fact, or quality of being vacuous

3: something (such as an idea) that is vacuous or inane

NDPP

Gaza Will Be The Grave Of The Western-Led World Order

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/1/17/gaza-will-be-the-grave-of-t...

"No matter how it concludes, South Africa's lawsuit in the ICJ arguing Israel has violated the Genocide Convention will go down in history.

It will either be remembered as the first step towards finally holding a rogue state accountable for repeated, longstanding violations of international law; or as the last dying breath of a dysfunctional, Western-led international system.

For the hypocrisy of Western governments (and the Western poltical elite as a whole) has finally brought the so-called 'rules-based world order' they purport to lead to the point of no return.

Full-throttled Western support for Israel's genocidal rampage in Gaza has truly exposed the double standards of the West with regard to human rights and international law.

There is no turning back, and the West has its own arrogance to blame.

Israel's aggression and colonisation must stop, and abuses of human rights in Palestine must be held accountable - including Western leaders who are complicit in Gaza..."

[email protected]

NDPP

"The Palestinian Foreign Ministry has endorsed Mexico and Chile for referring the situation in Palestine to The International Criminal Court (ICC) Prosecutor, enabling an investigation into the potential commission of war crimes."

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1748415300565942716

NDPP

Norm Finkelstein & Mouin Rabbani Break Down ICJ Israel Genocide Case (&vid)

https://twitter.com/SanaImmTarek/status/1749766678034911534

epaulo13

South African FM to attend Gaza emergency measures ruling

South Africa's foreign minister Naledi Pandor will travel to The Hague to attend the International Court of Justice's ruling on Friday on whether to grant emergency measures against Israel over the war in Gaza, a South African government spokesperson said in a post on X.  (Reuters)

NDPP

"...The evidence of genocide is overwhelmingly documented in the 84-page South African submission, but the failure to address the organic link to the crimes of complicity is a weakness that could be reflected in what the court decides.

Even if the ICJ does impose these Provisional Measures, including ordering Israel to desist from further violence in Gaza, it may not achieve the desired result, at least not before the substantive decision is reached some 3-5 years from now.

It seems unlikely that Israel will obey Provisional Measures. It has a record of consistently defying international law.

It is likely that a favorable decision on these preliminary measures will give rise to a crisis of implementation. The law is persuasively present but the political will to enforce is lacking or even resistant..."

In Gaza the West is Enabling the Most Transparent Genocide in Human History

https://mronline.org/2024/01/20/in-gaza-the-west-is-enabling-the-most-tr...

josh

THE ICJ REFUSES ISRAEL’S REQUEST TO THROW OUT SOUTH AFRICA’S COMPLAINT

The ICJ has just ruled that the evidence is "sufficient to conclude that at least some" of South Africa's claims of genocide against Israel "are plausible".

They can't adjudicate at this stage on whether it is genocide.

NDPP

Reaction from one Israeli official: 'Hague-Schmague'.

Israel will continue its 75 year flouting of international law but it now sits in the dock of the world's highest court on trial for the highest crime of genocide.

More importantly here:  Will Canadian 'representatives' similarly continue their complicity in this genocide?

epaulo13

CANADA MUST SUPPORT ICJ ORDER TO PROTECT PALESTINIANS IN GAZA FROM GENOCIDAL ACTS

Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East (CJPME) welcomes the historic ruling of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordering Israel to prevent genocide against the Palestinian people in Gaza. In its preliminary ruling on South Africa’s application, the ICJ found that Israel’s actions in Gaza could plausibly fall within the Genocide Convention, and ordered Israel to comply with provisional measures that would restrain its genocidal actions. CJPME urges the Canadian government to publicly support the decision of the ICJ and demand that Israel comply with its orders. CJPME believes that, given the nature of Israel’s actions, the ICJ’s emergency measures cannot be reasonably met without a full ceasefire and an end to the bloodshed.

“This ruling is a significant victory for the Palestinian people and a breakthrough moment for all those seeking justice. While stopping short of ordering a ceasefire, the World Court has found that many of Israel’s actions could plausibly constitute acts of genocide, and has ordered significant restraints on Israel’s genocidal campaign against the people of Gaza,” wrote Michael Bueckert, Vice President of CJPME. “Canada must do everything in its power to compel enforcement of the ICJ’s orders and protect Palestinians from genocide, starting with the imposition of an arms embargo on Israel,” added Bueckert.

The ICJ only issued emergency measures and did not make a final decision on the allegations of genocide, which could take years. Nevertheless, the Court determined that the case for genocide was plausible, and is allowing the broader case to proceed. Today’s emergency measures – which are legally binding – demand that Israel: take all measures to prevent the commission of acts of genocide (including the killing of members of the group and imposing conditions of life designed to destroy the group); ensure that its military forces do not commit genocidal acts; prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide; and enable the provision of humanitarian aid, among other measures. Each measure was approved by a huge majority of ICJ judges, never less than 15-2.

CJPME insists that Canada must now take a stand in support of the court’s ruling, following weeks of confusing and contradictory statements. Support for the ruling can and should take the form of 1) strong public condemnation of Israel’s brutal violence against the Palestinians in Gaza; 2) pressure on Israel to fully comply with the ICJ’s emergency provisions; 3) a halt to all arms trade between Canada and Israel and a formal review of Canada’s security cooperation with Israel, and 4) a strict reassessment of Canada’s diplomatic stance vis-à-vis Israel to ensure that Canada is not complicit in, or enabling, genocide.

Earlier this month, Trudeau said that Canada’s "wholehearted support of the ICJ and its processes does not mean that we support the premise of the case brought forward by South Africa,” which was widely interpreted as an outright dismissal of the case. As reported by the CBC, however, Global Affairs Canada claims that they intended to express neutrality regarding the merits of the case and that they will abide by all rulings of the ICJ. However, when later asked, neither Trudeau nor Joly would go beyond their initial, confusing statements. CJPME urges Canada to take an unambiguous position in support of the ICJ’s ruling and insist that Israel end its genocidal actions.

NDPP

My Reaction To The ICJ Ruling

https://twitter.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/1750908189133189362

"Canada has a responsibility to protect innocent people.

Justin Trudeau must respect the ICJ decision and immediately urge the government of Israel to comply with provisional measures.

Canada must call for a ceasefire, humanitarian aid, release of hostages, end of weapons sales, and support of the ICC to investigate and prosecute all crimes in the region."

How unfortunate our politicians never do the  right thing except under extreme pressure and popular protest against the status quo.

Still, a start nonetheless and better than the previous ndp leader's self-description as 'a fervent supporter of Israel under all actions and circumstances.'

With Canadian politicians, more stick than carrot is always the best practice.

That's how the Zionist lobby does it. Let's see what if anything substantial happens next.

Meanwhile Israel continues killing Palestinians like no tomorrow.

Into the streets for a ceasefire, an end to the illegal occupation, and a free Palestine!

NDPP

dp

jerrym

The International Court of Justice has ruled that Israel must take steps to prevent genocide in Gaza, UN court says in ruling on temporary measures.  Even the ICJ Israeli judge " joined the majority in ordering Israel to refrain from public incitement "in the hope that the measure will help to decrease tensions and discourage damaging rhetoric." He said he voted for a measure about ensuring humanitarian aid in the hope that it "will alleviate the consequences of the armed conflict for the most vulnerable." The Ugandan judge on the panel was the lone member to not vote in favour of the humanitarian aid measure." No doubt JLK and Paladin will trivialize this finding based on their past posts, asking how many military divisions the court has to enforce this ruling. But Israel is increasingly finding itself isolated, except for much of the West and that is shrinking almost by the day.

The top court for the United Nations on Friday ordered Israel to take measures to prevent and punish direct incitement of genocide in its war in Gaza, although it stopped short of ordering a ceasefire in a case brought forth by South Africa. "The state of Israel shall... take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of the Genocide Convention," the International Court of Justice (ICJ) said.

In a sweeping ruling, a large majority of the 17-judge panel of the ICJ voted for urgent measures which covered most of what South Africa asked for with the notable exception of ordering a halt to Israeli military action in Gaza. The court ordered Israel to refrain from any acts that could fall under the Genocide Convention and also ensure that its troops do not commit any genocidal acts in Gaza. Israel must report to the court within a month on what it's doing to uphold the order. The decision is legally-binding, but the court has no way to enforce it.

Former Human Rights Watch executive director Kenneth Roth told CBC News on Friday that the court didn't have the capacity to make a ruling on a ceasefire because Hamas is a non-state actor. The court did urge Hamas to release the hostages it still holds from the Oct. 7 attacks in southern Israel. "I think, frankly, this is as far as the court can go," said Roth. Roth said the ruling could potentially make an "enormous difference" to the lives of Palestinians on the ground and apply "big political pressure" for Israel to abide by the ruling. ...

South Africa hailed what it called a "decisive victory" for international rule of law in an initial statement. Outside the court in the Hague, Naledi Pandor, South Africa Minister of International Relations, said it is vital states "exercise their responsibility to protect global citizens." "South Africa had the view that we could not sit idly by," she said.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel's "commitment to international law is unwavering," but he again rejected the premise of South Africa's case. "The charge of genocide levelled against Israel is not only false, it's outrageous, and decent people should reject it," said Netanyahu. "Our war is against Hamas terrorists, not against Palestinian civilians," he added. "We will continue to facilitate humanitarian assistance and to do our utmost to keep civilians out of harm's way, even as Hamas uses civilians as human shields."

The Israeli judge on the 17-member panel, Aharon Barak, wrote in a separate opinion that "although I am convinced there is no plausibility of genocide," he voted for two of the measures. He said he joined the majority in ordering Israel to refrain from public incitement "in the hope that the measure will help to decrease tensions and discourage damaging rhetoric." He said he voted for a measure about ensuring humanitarian aid in the hope that it "will alleviate the consequences of the armed conflict for the most vulnerable." The Ugandan judge on the panel was the lone member to not vote in favour of the humanitarian aid measure.

The U.S., through a State Department spokesperson, said the ruling was consistent with Washington's view that Israel has the right to take action, in accordance with international law. "We continue to believe that allegations of genocide are unfounded and note the court did not make a finding about genocide or call for a ceasefire in its ruling and that it called for the unconditional, immediate release of all hostages being held by Hamas," the spokesperson said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/icj-decision-south-africa-israel-genocide-...

NDPP

EI Podcast: Decision At The ICJ (&vid)

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1750925238626374117

Breaking down the decision.

jerrym

An Economist/You Gov poll released Wednesday found 35% of Americans and 49% of Democrats ... [and] 49% of younger voters "believe Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians". The poll was taken before theInternational Court of Justice ruling "that Israel must take steps to prevent genocide in Gaza". (https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/icj-decision-south-africa-israel-genocide-...) This means these percentages will grow and, with that, the pressure on the Biden government and Israel.

More than one in three Americans believe Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians, a poll published on Wednesday has found.

According to the Economist/YouGov poll, roughly equal numbers of adults believe Israel’s military campaign against Palestinians, which is estimated to have killed more than 25,000 people since 7 October, amounts to genocide: 35% say it is, 36% say it isn’t, with 29% undecided. US insists it’s trying to get aid into Gaza as UN warns millions ‘at risk of famine’

Among younger Americans, and along political lines, divisions are more prominent. Almost half of those surveyed aged 18-29, 49%, say Israel is committing genocide, with 24% disagreeing and 27% uncertain.

The figures are broadly similar for registered Democrats, who believe 49%-21% in the genocide characterization, while 30% are undecided. Republicans are far more supportive of Israel’s actions, with 57% of respondents saying there is no genocide, only 18% saying there is, and exactly one-quarter unsure.

The polling, which took place between 21 and 23 January, comes as the international court of justice (ICJ) in The Hague prepares to deliver on Friday an interim ruling on South Africa’s genocide case against Israel, and a separate lawsuit against Joe Biden’s administration for “failing to prevent genocide” advances.

The ICJ case, which was heard over two days earlier this month, is seen as an important gauge of international sentiment over Israel’s campaign in Gaza. South Africa claimed that more than 50 countries agreed with its assertion Israel had shown “chilling” and “incontrovertible” intent to commit genocide in Gaza during its military response to the Hamas attacks of 7 October.

“This court has the benefit of the past 13 weeks of evidence that shows, incontrovertibly, a pattern of conduct and related intention that justifies a plausible claim of genocidal acts,” the South African lawyer Adila Hassim said.

Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said the allegation was false. “We are fighting terrorists, we are fighting lies. Israel is accused of genocide while it is fighting against genocide,” he said.

Meanwhile, a first hearing is scheduled on Friday in a federal lawsuit brought by the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) claiming the Biden administration failed to carry out its duties under US and international law to stop Israel from killing civilians in Gaza.

 “The US has the means available to have a deterrent effect on Israeli officials now pursuing genocidal acts against the Palestinian people in Gaza,” the complaint says.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/24/americans-believe-israel...

NDPP

Meanwhile Israel's genocide continues unabated...

Israel Fires on Palestinians Waiting For Humanitarian Aid, Killing or Injuring 170

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/01/26/bnyp-j26.html

"This attack in Gaza City came as Gaza's Health Ministry reported over 200 deaths in Iraeli attacks on civilians over a 24-hour period..."

jerrym

 The United States — the agency's biggest donor — to temporarily halt funding for the UN Palestinian relief agency"after Israel alleged 12 UNRWA employees were involved in the Oct. 7 Hamas terrorist attack" on the same day the International Court of Justice (ICJ) said Israel is facing a "plausible genocide" investigation by the ICJ. "The ICJ's decision pushes talk about 'genocide' from the rhetorical to the factual and legal." (https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/experts-react/expe....)

I guess the US sees no value is 26,000 Palestinian dead and counting, therefore continues to fund the Israeli Gaza war. However even 35% of Americans, including 50% of Democrats, in a poll released two days before the ICJ ruling believe Israel is engaged in genocide in Gaza. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/24/americans-believe-israel...

On Friday the world’s eyes were on The Hague, as the International Court of Justice (ICJ) issued its ruling on provisional measures in the case South Africa brought against Israel for violations of the Genocide Convention. The court granted some of the orders South Africa requested against Israel, but most notably declined to order Israel to immediately suspend its military operations in Gaza. Instead, the majority of the seventeen judges ruled that Israel should take steps to limit harm to Palestinians, preserve evidence, and submit a report within a month on all measures taken in response to the court’s order. The court also rejected Israel’s request to throw the case out, meaning it may continue for years. Below, Atlantic Council experts share their insights on what this decision means and what to look for next.

Click to jump to an expert analysis:

Celeste Kmiotek: The ICJ puts the countries supporting Israel on notice

Thomas S. Warrick: A blow to the argument that death and destruction are sufficient to establish genocide

Tuqa Nusairat: The ruling shows how isolated the US is in its support of Israel

Shalom Lipner: The ruling is unlikely to change Israel’s warfighting or narrative

Elise Baker: Israel’s continued failure to ease the humanitarian crisis in Gaza risks genocide

Gissou Nia: The ICJ’s decision pushes talk about ‘genocide’ from the rhetorical to the factual and legal

Lisandra Novo: The ICJ’s order to preserve evidence could impact war crimes cases elsewhere

Alexander Tripp: South Africa is putting its ideals on the world stage

Alyssa T. Yamamoto: The ICJ embraces another case brought by a state not directly affected by violations

Akila Radhakrishnan: It didn’t call for a cease-fire, but the ICJ did rule that Israel must drastically curtail its operations


The ICJ puts the countries supporting Israel on notice

While today’s decision did not—and was not intended to—answer the question of whether Israel is committing genocide, the court held that “at least some of the acts and omissions alleged by South Africa to have been committed by Israel in Gaza appear to be capable of falling within the provisions of the Convention.” Further, “the facts and circumstances mentioned above are sufficient to conclude that at least some of the rights claimed by South Africa and for which it is seeking protection are plausible.” This allows the case to proceed to a decision on the merits. It also puts other states—namely, those offering support to Israel—on notice.

The provisional measures “have binding effect and thus create international legal obligations for any party to whom the provisional measures are addressed,” which in this case is exclusively the state of Israel. However, the measures are based on existing obligations under the Genocide Convention—which mandates punishment for not only acts of genocide but also complicity, and requires the prevention of genocide. South African Minister of International Relations and Cooperation Naledi Pandor stated that should the ICJ find there to have been genocide, the states that have aided and abetted it would be considered a party to the commission of the crime under the Convention.

Human rights organizations have already launched domestic legal proceedings against US officials and UK officialsover aid to Israel. While legally distinct from the ICJ case, they are rooted in the same law. The former is based on the Genocide Convention as implemented in US law, and the latter is based on the Strategic Licensing Criteria, which prohibits the export of weapons “where there is a clear risk they might be used in violations of international law.” Should the ICJ determine that Israel is committing genocide, the states that have aided Israel could also face cases before the ICJ.

Celeste Kmiotek is a staff lawyer for the Strategic Litigation Project at the Atlantic Council.


A blow to the argument that death and destruction are sufficient to establish genocide

Today’s ICJ decision can be summarized with this sentence: The court does not have the evidence to decide whether or not Israel has committed genocide in Gaza, but directs Israel to comply with its obligations under the Genocide Convention—to which Israel, as a party to the Genocide Convention since 1950, has long committed itself.

Today’s decision goes only to “provisional measures,” a technical term that recognizes the ICJ’s proceedings usually take years but that gives the court the ability to issue orders in clear-cut cases. As Israel’s defense showed, South Africa’s claims are certainly not clear-cut, especially given Israel’s right to defend itself after Hamas’s October 7 attack on Israel. The court did not try to order Israel to end the war in a way that would leave Hamas in power in Gaza.

Today’s decision is an important blow to the argument advanced by Israel’s critics that death and destruction in Gaza are sufficient to establish a violation of the Genocide Convention. This misunderstands the Convention, which requires the intent to destroy a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group, as such, in whole or in substantial part. By taking this case seriously, Israel presented evidence that its intent was focused on defeating Hamas, which had attacked it on October 7. South Africa will now have to establish an intent to destroy Palestinians in Gaza in whole or in substantial part—not by inference alone, but by proof of actual intent. Though it will take years for the court to render a decision on the merits, South Africa is likely to fail in this.

Two other points of note in today’s order. First, the court makes clear that Israel’s leaders have the responsibility to speak with authority and an understanding of Israel’s international legal obligations. Inflammatory statements only give ammunition to Israel’s adversaries. Second, the requirement that Israel report within one month on the measures taken to comply with the Genocide Convention is an opportunity, not a sanction, to provide more evidence—such as recently declassified cabinet minutes—explaining the intent behind Israel’s war to remove Hamas from power in Gaza.

Thomas S. Warrick is the director of the Future of DHS project at the Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security’s Forward Defense practice and a nonresident senior fellow and the Scowcroft Middle East Security Initiative at the Atlantic Council.


The ruling shows how isolated the US is in its support of Israel

The ICJ ruling is a significant step in the direction of reestablishing the credibility of international institutions and the application of international humanitarian law. Multiple earlier efforts to hold Israel accountable for crimes committed against the Palestinian people have been thwarted by its allies in the West, much to the dismay of many in the international community. Beyond the legal implications, the geopolitical implications of South Africa bringing the case to the world court are significant. 

In undertaking the effort to put on public display the extent of damage caused by Israel’s offensive against Gaza, South Africa is leading the Global South in rejecting the notion that international law has selective applicability. The case also rejects the idea that Western leaders can continue to derail efforts to bring about an end to the current suffering of innocent civilians in Gaza and address the Israeli-Palestinian conflict more broadly in venues such as the United Nations Security Council (UNSC). South Africa succeeded in bringing the world’s attention to the utter destruction Israel is inflicting on Gaza, forcing Israel to stand trial for crimes much of the world has been witnessing over the past 110 days.

The court’s initial decision puts to rest the Biden administration claim that the case is “meritless,” and should force the United States to come to terms with the fact that its support for Israel is not only rejected by much of the international community, but it is now subject to possibly defending itself against accusations of supporting a possible genocide in Gaza. The fifteen-to-two vote by the court on almost all the provisions speaks to how united much of the world is in its view of how Israel has conducted its military operations in Gaza. That should make everyone in the US government, which has been overwhelmingly uncritical in its support of Israel’s operations, take seriously any further diplomatic, economic, and military support it intends to provide as Israel continues its onslaught on Gaza. 

The court stopping short of calling for a cessation of hostilities may be more important because it keeps the focus on the urgency of preventing genocidal acts pending further investigation, rather than call for a cease-fire that is unenforceable, in no small part due to US veto power at the UNSC. Indeed, the only power capable of using its significant political leverage to prevent Israel from further implicating itself in the crime of genocide is the United States.

Tuqa Nusairat is an expert on US policy in the Middle East and the director for strategy, operations, and finance at Atlantic Council’s Rafik Hariri Center & Middle East Programs.


The ruling is unlikely to change Israel’s warfighting or narrative

It’s fair to assume that Israel’s government breathed a sigh of relative relief after reviewing the operational sections of the ICJ’s interim ruling on Friday. Notwithstanding the court’s determination that provisional measures are warranted—in order to prevent “irreparable harm” from occurring while the justices deliberate further on the merits of South Africa’s case against Israel—the practical implications of its decision are unlikely to compel any drastic reconfiguration of Israel’s war deployment or narrative.

The Israel Defense Force’s mission to dismantle the military and governance infrastructure of Hamas in Gaza, and to secure the freedom of Israeli hostages in Hamas captivity, does not inherently clash with the court’s stipulations that Israel must “take all measures within its power” to prevent inflicting death or injury on “the Palestinians in Gaza” per se and must also provide them with “basic services and humanitarian assistance.” Israel has argued consistently, in fact, that it continues to perform in precisely this manner, despite the complex circumstances of fighting a terrorist group embedded among a civilian population. Most critically from Israel’s perspective, the ICJ refrained from issuing any call for an immediate cease-fire.

Meeting the court’s standard for action to “prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide” may prove more difficult for Israel, against the backdrop of the October 7 atrocities, in which 1,200 Israelis were murdered and which have elicited the harshest possible characterizations of the perpetrators and their enablers. In this respect, Israel’s leadership would be well-advised to avoid recourse to unhelpful, incendiary rhetoric and to concentrate instead on the security tasks at hand—an approach that could only ameliorate their country’s standing before the court and the international community.

Shalom Lipner is a nonresident senior fellow at the Scowcroft Middle East Security Initiative of the Atlantic Council’s Middle East Programs.


Israel’s continued failure to ease the humanitarian crisis in Gaza risks genocide

Today, the ICJ ordered that Israel must do everything within its power to prevent genocidal acts against Gazans. Such acts include, among others, deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about Gazans’ physical destruction, carried out with the intent to destroy the Gazan people. To further mitigate the risk of genocide, the court also ordered Israel to immediately and effectively enable the provision of humanitarian aid and basic services to Gaza.

The ICJ’s order is legally binding on Israel, as are the Genocide Convention and Geneva Conventions. Accordingly, there is no doubt that Israel must take concrete actions to ease what the court found to be a “catastrophic humanitarian situation” and restore conditions that can support life in Gaza, not risk its destruction. Specifically, Israel must allow food, water, medical aid, fuel, and other humanitarian essentials into Gaza, without delay or arbitrary restrictions on quantities or types of aid. Israel must cease telecommunications blackouts to ensure aid can be delivered to and distributed across Gaza. Israel must stop denying humanitarian aid distribution within Gaza. Israel must limit its military operations in Gaza to ensure that humanitarian aid can be delivered to and distributed across all of Gaza. Israel must not attack civilians waiting for humanitarian aid.

Failure by Israel to take these steps places Gazans at further risk of genocide.

Elise Baker is a senior staff lawyer for the Strategic Litigation Project.


The ICJ’s decision pushes talk about ‘genocide’ from the rhetorical to the factual and legal

Today, the world’s top court ruled that South Africa’s claim that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza is indeed plausible. Noting the “catastrophic humanitarian situation” in the Gaza Strip, the Court also found “urgency” and “real imminent risk” that irreparable damage will be done to Palestinians before the case concludes. On this basis, the court found it necessary to order a series of provisional—or “emergency”—measures to protect the population based on South Africa’s pleadings. Those include ordering Israel to refrain from committing acts under Article II of the Genocide Convention, to prevent and punish incitement to genocide, to allow humanitarian assistance, to prevent destruction and preserve evidence of crimes, and to report back to the court in a month on the implementation of these measures. However, the order stops short of calling for a cease-fire.  

So what happens next? Procedurally, the court may hear challenges from Israel on jurisdiction to hear the merits, before any consideration of the merits themselves, which will take years. Politically, the weight of the ruling is in the reception by Israel and its backers in its military operations. Some observers note that implementing these provisional measures is impossible without cessation of kinetic activity—and that the court has thereby essentially ordered a cease-fire without explicitly calling for one. Others take a different view. What is clear is that with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saying Israel will continue the war until “absolute victory,” the hope will lie with third states to recognize the gravity of the ICJ order and to urge compliance. The US government may use the explicit lack of a cease-fire order as political cover, and claim that it has abided by what the provisional measures order throughout the conflict by undertaking efforts to ensure humanitarian assistance reaches Gazans. Concerned governments and advocates should push back on any such cynical framing. While the early days of the conflict saw the use of the word “genocide” as a rhetorical device, the court’s order—while not addressing the merits at this stage—firmly pushes the debate from the rhetorical to the factual and legal.  

Adding to the weight of the decision is that it was delivered from an impartial bench. ICJ judges are independent and do not officially work under orders from their home governments. However, going into the hearing, members of the broader public speculated that Donoghue’s past service as a legal advisor in the US State Department would compromise the court’s ability to rule objectively. The final breakdown of judges’ nationality in favor of provisional measures reveals this to not be the case. Most provisional measures were ordered by a fifteen-to-two split, with both Donoghue and Judge Georg Nolte of Germany in favor, despite the official policies of their home governments taking a different view. Tellingly, even the ad hoc judge appointed by Israel, Aharon Barak, voted in favor of the provisional measures to order Israel to prevent and punish incitement to genocide and for the provision of humanitarian assistance. In fact, the only dissenting judge on all provisional measures was Judge Julia Sebutinde from Uganda, whose government was quick to distance themselves from her rulings. 

Gissou Nia is the director of the Strategic Litigation Project at the Atlantic Council.


The ICJ’s order to preserve evidence could impact war crimes cases elsewhere

In its provisional measures decision today, the ICJ ordered Israel to “take effective measures to prevent the destruction and ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations of” genocidal acts against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. This is to ensure that relevant evidence will not be destroyed or lost before the merits phase of the case, which could be years away. This relates to acts such as killings, serious bodily or mental harm, conditions of life calculated to destroy the group in whole or in part, measures to prevent births and conspiracy, incitement, attempt, and complicity in committing genocide, among others.

The ICJ is not a criminal court and, as such, it will not find anyone “guilty” of genocide. The court can only assess whether Israel is responsible for violating specific provisions under the Genocide Convention. However, the same evidence that is relevant for that assessment, which Israel now has a binding legal obligation to preserve, would also be relevant before other courts. South Africa, along with other like-minded states, has already referred the situation to the International Criminal Court, which can find individuals criminally responsible so long as it has jurisdiction. Many countries around the world also have extraterritorial jurisdiction over genocide and can initiate cases domestically. Lastly, it is worth noting that the ICJ only has jurisdiction over states, not over acts committed by Hamas and other Palestinian groups. It thus could not have issued orders to preserve evidence related to crimes that may have been committed by these groups in this case. Nor does the ICJ have the power to issue an order relating to evidence of war crimes or crimes against humanity. To ensure future accountability, Israel should seek to preserve evidence relating to all atrocity crimes in this conflict.

Lisandra Novo is a staff lawyer for the Strategic Litigation Project at the Atlantic Council and was previously a judicial fellow at the ICJ.


South Africa is putting its ideals on the world stage

Legal analysis aside, one of the key aspects of this case is who actually brought it up. An African nation pursuing a case of global importance before the ICJ is itself notable.

South Africa, with the historical backdrop of apartheid, has long supported the Palestinian cause. The country’s long-standing support, and its cultural and historical identification with the Palestinian people, should serve as a counter to anyone who might claim that South Africa only undertook this process for publicity or a desire on the part of the ruling African National Congress (ANC) to look good before the elections later this year. South Africans have taken pride in the fact they are prosecuting this case at the highest level, with South African lawyers welcomed home with patriotic flag waving.

It’s clear that South Africa’s motivation to bring this case before the ICJ comes from a genuine sense of identification and purpose.

In addition, while this case obviously matters most and has the largest implications for those in the Levant, do not overlook the implications for Africa. What is clear from this case, regardless of the result, is that an African nation was willing to put the resources behind advocating its positions and ideals on the world stage toward resolving a global issue—and the world has been forced to pay attention to that view. At the very least, this shows that African nations can engage with and lead on world issues with confidence.

As South Africa’s President Cyril Ramaphosa said today: “Some have told us we should mind our own business and not get involved in the affairs of other countries, and yet it is very much our place as the people who know too well the pain of dispossession, discrimination, state-sponsored violence.”

As African nations continue their economic rise, do not be surprised to see more of them involving themselves and advocating for their beliefs at the highest levels of international politics.

Alexander Tripp is the assistant director for the Atlantic Council’s Africa Center.


The ICJ embraces another case brought by a state not directly affected by violations

Today’s binding provisional measures order is highly consequential, marking a significant step by the ICJ to mitigate the increasingly urgent and untenable situation in Gaza. It is the latest in a long history of the court weighing in on the situation of Palestine, dating to its inception. Notably, the court affirmed, at least preliminarily, South Africa’s erga omnes partes standing—the ability to bring the case as a fellow party to the Genocide Convention, despite not being directly affected by the allegations—even though Israel didn’t even challenge it. The court appears to be embracing its increasingly prominent role as arbiter for grave international law violations of common interest to us all.

At the same time, it is important not to overstate the order’s import. Any provisional measures request requires an assessment of three criteria: prima facie jurisdiction, plausibility, and risk of irreparable prejudice. Here, the court found (1) prima facie jurisdiction—i.e., at least a possible basis to rule on the merits—because Israel’s alleged genocidal acts and omissions are “capable of falling” under the Genocide Convention; (2) the plausibility of at least some of the asserted rights, including the right of Palestinians in Gaza as a protected group; and (3) a real, imminent risk of irreparable prejudice to these rights, as evidenced by United Nations (UN) reporting on the humanitarian catastrophe. But none of these findings can prejudge the court’s future judgment on jurisdiction and the merits. The court will be obligated to adjudicate the case anew once the full case is presented, and this will take years. 

The court has acted now in the face of an emergency, and only regarding the limited scope of the proceedings before it: a case against Israel alone, under the Genocide Convention alone. In parallel, a panoply of complementary justice avenues will no doubt unfold, recognizing the other bodies of international law that apply—including international humanitarian law and international human rights law—and the urgent need for more comprehensive accountability.  

Alyssa T. Yamamoto is the senior legal and policy advisor at the Strategic Litigation Project at the Atlantic Council.


It didn’t call for a cease-fire, but the ICJ did rule that Israel must drastically curtail its operations

Even as the ICJ ordered Israel to comply with a range of measures, many of the headlines have focused on what the court didn’t do, namely order a cease-fire. This shouldn’t be read as a rejection by the court of the idea that hostilities need to cease, or at a minimum change in manner and character.

In finding that there is a risk of irreparable prejudice and urgency to the rights of Palestinians in Gaza and South Africa’s own rights under the Genocide Convention, the court recalls a series of dire statements from UN actors on the situation in Gaza, including the UN secretary-general’s letter to the UNSC on the continuation of “devastating levels of death and destruction.” Based on the facts, the court then states that the “civilian population in the Gaza Strip remains extremely vulnerable,” that Israel’s military operations have resulted in “tens of thousands of deaths and injuries and the destruction of homes, schools, medical facilities and other vital infrastructure,” that many Palestinians have “no access to the most basic foodstuffs, potable water, electricity, essential medicines or heating,” and that “maternal and newborn death rates are expected to increase.” The court concludes by stating that “the catastrophic humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip is at serious risk of deteriorating further.”

This recitation of facts is important in understanding the context for the measures the court then ordered, and what might be required to comply with them. It’s hard to imagine that Israel could comply with orders to prevent the commission of genocidal acts, including by its military forces, and ensure the provision of humanitarian aid, without halting or at least drastically curtailing its military operations. So, the focus should not be on what the court didn’t do, but rather on what is now going to be required to give effect to the court’s orders.

Akila Radhakrishnan is the strategic legal advisor for gender justice for the Atlantic Council’s Strategic Litigation Project.

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Who better to follow the august words of this nato/cia/us state department stink-tank Atlantic Council than our own FM Melanie Joly..

Statement By Minister Joly on the International Court  of Justice Decision on South Africa's Request for Provisional Measures in Its Case Against Israel

https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2024/01/statement-by-minist...

"Our support for the ICJ does not mean that we accept the premise of the case brought by South Africa...Canada will continue to support Israel's right to exist and defend itself..."

Forked-tongue shameful as expected. Run with hare, hunt with hound and whatever USrael wants no matter how ruinous and wrong. The Trudeau nazi-clapper regime is putrid, immoral and sold out. We must do better.

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The ICJ Could Not Order A General Ceasefire. It Ordered Israel To Cease Fire.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/01/the-icj-could-not-order-a-general-...

"...The court could not order a general ceasefire because its jurisdiction covers only one of the warring parties.

An order for a general ceasefire would require that all parties to a conflict are nation states and have signed the Genocide Convention.

Hamas however is not a state and is not a signatory of the Genocide Convention and thus not under the ICJ's jurisdiction.

So the court did not order a ceasefire. It could not.

But the court ordered Israel to cease fire."

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There Should Not Be An Israeli Exception To The Prevention of Genocide

https://twitter.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1750922024250114312

"ICJ just recognised that the horror in Gaza plausibly constitutes genocide. A CEASEFIRE is the only way to fully abide by the Court's provisional measures to halt this horror.

Third states should now work to achieve it and avoid breaching their obligations to prevent genocide."

Attn: Genocide Justin!

[email protected]

The charge of complicity is a real possibility if you don't stop supporting USrael's genocide.

Aware Canadians will now have eyes on your government's actions going forward. If you really respect the ICJ as you maintain, start implementing its ruling and stop grovelling to Apartheid Israel and its genocide lobby.

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Ceasefire Language Or Not...

https://twitter.com/CraigMokhiber/status/1750953467013632338

"...If Israel continues killing and harming civilians, destruction of civilian infrastructure, blockade, denial of humanitarian aid, or dehumanization and incitement to genocide, destroys evidence or fails to report, it will be in breach of the ICJ order."

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ICJ Rules Forcefully Against Israel in Landmark Genocide Ruling, Including Restricting Military Action

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/01/international-court-of-justice-r...

"One of the advantages of being a pessmist  is that being wrong is a positive event..."

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International Court of Justice Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide in Gaza But Fails to Order Ceasefire

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AMY GOODMAN: And can you talk about the woman who we heard delivering the pronouncement of the court, Joan Donoghue, a former State Department official, though she’s not representing the United States in this? She represents the court. She was in the State Department under President Obama.

DIANA BUTTU: Well, yes, and she was the — she was one of the judges, one of 17 judges on the bench — two of them are ad hoc — one of the 15 permanent judges, who ruled in favor of all of the measures that had been sought. Her term actually expires on February the 6th, and so she won’t be with the court after that. But it was very important that this decision not just be a split court. But you can tell by the breadth of it that of the 17 judges, two being ad hoc, that on most of the issues, it was 15 versus 2, one being the Ugandan judge and the second, of course, being the Israeli judge, and in some cases it being 16 to 1, with the one, ironically, being the Ugandan judge.

AMY GOODMAN: Why the Ugandan judge?

DIANA BUTTU: It’s not clear. It’s not entirely clear why. It’s clear why the Israeli judge, obviously. But what’s more important is the fact that we see that this court has overwhelmingly decided in favor of South Africa, has overwhelmingly determined that there is plausible risk of genocide. And it becomes imperative upon the world community to now act. You know, the fact that it’s taken 112 days for the world to finally recognize that this is genocide, and that it had to go to court, says something about the international legal system as we know it, which is that it’s broken. But I’m hoping that based on this, the world will now begin to act, rather than hiding behind all these false claims that Israel has repeated for the past 112 days.

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RAZ SEGAL: 

I think this is, really, an unprecedented ruling. It signals, first and foremost, the end of Israeli impunity in the international legal system, which is huge, right? Israel has enjoyed impunity in the international legal system for decades in the face of mounting evidence of gross violations of international law, of mass violence, occupation, siege, so on. This is the end of that era.

So it’s just a beginning of a process that, really, I think, now with a ruling that basically recognizes the possibility of genocide, the fact that Israel is likely committing genocidal acts — this is a beginning of a process of isolating Israel, because any university, company, state now will have to consider, moving forward, whether it continues — or doesn’t continue, in many cases, I think — to engage with Israel, because it is likely committing genocide. This also legally triggers third-state responsibility on issues of prevention and complicity with genocide.

And it’s significantly important today, where in a few hours in a court in Florida there will be the hearing in the case that the Center for Constitutional Rights has brought against Biden, Blinken and Austin, indeed, on complicity with genocide, U.S. complicity with genocide, and the failure to prevent a genocide. So, this might have, actually, a certain effect even on this case today in California moving forward.

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MAHMOOD MAMDANI:

Actually, everything that I expected happened. I wasn’t sure they would call for a ceasefire. But now listening to the reasoning of the court, it is clear to me that they couldn’t have called directly for a ceasefire without preempting their future deliberations. At the same time, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and sounds like a duck, then it’s a duck. Everything they ordered in terms of preventive measures leads to only one conclusion, which is ceasefire. How do you stop killing people? Ceasefire. How do you ensure that supplies for human life get in? Ceasefire. And so on and so forth.

I think the ball is now in the political domain. The law cannot displace politics. It can open avenues for politics. And that’s where we are now. This ruling is enormously significant in terms of broadening the avenues for politics, in terms of strengthening and accelerating the trend towards a global alliance against settler colonialism. And it has the U.S. on the defensive, Israel on the defensive.....

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Tell Canada: Support the ICJ decision, end the genocide in Gaza!

Did the ICJ end up calling for a ceasefire?

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