We Need to Stop the Denial of All Types of Violence in Canadian Society and Address It All

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We Need to Stop the Denial of All Types of Violence in Canadian Society and Address It All

The rising tide of violence in Canada is more than disheartening, it actually threatens our democratic society.

The heakth care sector is a good example of how dowhill we are sliding along that slippery slope.

And the main reason in the health care sector, contrary to the blatant lies we heard during the election from both the Liberals and the Conservatives, is the privatization of Canada's medical care system, and we certainly can thank that Quebec doctor Chaoulli for some of it. 

But just look at our discourse hear at times, with personal attacks, and with anger and hatred being expressed. 

Bernier with his deep hatred received 5% of the vote. Some peole see this as splitting the right wing vote, but that is short-sighted, as there is something much more problematic going on. 

We are treading on dangerous ground and our democrary might eventually be stake.

These are the final election results:

L 159 seats or 47% of the seats, up 2 seats, with 33% of the vote

C 119 seats or 35% of the seats, down 2 seats, with 34% of the vote

N 25 seats or 7% of the seats, up 1 seat, with 18% of the vote

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B 33 seats or 10% of the seats, up 1 seat, with 8% of the vote

G 2 seats or 1% of the seats, down 1 seat, with 2% of the vote

P 0 seats or 0% of the seats, no change in number of seats, with 5% of the vote

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Adolf Hitler's rise to power

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power#:~:text=Hit....

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Chaoulli v Quebec (AG)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaoulli_v_Quebec_(AG)

NorthReport

Opponents of B.C. Vaccine Card organize protests at restaurants that obey provincial health order

There are signs that these demonstrations will continue into the future

 

 

https://www.straight.com/covid-19-pandemic/food/opponents-of-bc-vaccine-...

NorthReport

Workplace violence has become No. 1 issue in health care, union says

Staffing levels inadequate to deal with rising incidents, union says

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-workplace-violen...

NorthReport

What additional measures can be used to diffuse the violence coming from the Covid19 pandemic deniers?  

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Religion and white supremacy are a couple of issues that are responsible for some of the problems.

Science Denial and COVID Conspiracy TheoriesPotential Neurological Mechanisms and Possible Responses

Possible Responses

The COVID-19 epidemic reinforces the challenges of science denial. The medical community should mount systematic efforts around science education beginning in childhood and across the lifetime. Scientists, clinicians, and public health experts should engage in dialogue on issues of public health such as masks, vaccines, and medications. Accessible presentations should be part of every medical office and health care system. Attractive and accessible websites that post reliable data on health should counteract the false narratives that harm the health of the US (and other countries). A systematic analysis of “what went wrong” with COVID-19 policies during and after this pandemic is the responsibility of the scientific community. In addition, working with politicians to establish national policies to support rational science is critical. The practice of medicine is at the front line of the national concerns and conflicts surrounding truth and health. When science wins, everyone wins.

 

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772693

NorthReport

Conspiracist thinking is the result of 40 years of social atomization

https://jacobinmag.com/2021/09/conspiracy-theories-qanon-covid-left-anar...

NorthReport

Maybe money is the best way to stop the violence, eh!

Indigenous kids eligible to collect billions of dollars after Trudeau government loses appeal of human-rights ruling

 

by Charlie Smith on September 30th, 2021 at 9:49 AM

 

  • First Nations Child and Family Caring Society of Canada executive director Cindy Blackstock has become a hero to many Canadians for relentlessly fighting for equality for Indigenous kids.

The First Nations Child and Family Caring Society of Canada has won its second straight round in a battle for equality for Indigenous children in Canada.

It came when the Federal Court of Canada dismissed an application for judicial review by the Attorney General of Canada.

The Trudeau government filed its application to the Federal Court after the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal ruled in 2019 that Ottawa had discriminated against Indigenous children.

This racism occurred by making less federal financial support available to Indigenous kids in care than the provinces were providing.

The tribunal awarded $40,000 to each First Nations child affected since 2006.

https://www.straight.com/news/indigenous-kids-eligible-to-collect-billio...

Douglas Fir Premier

Annual social assistance incomes by jurisdiction

(Rates are from 2019. Poverty gap listed in parentheses, based on Market Basket Measure.) source

 

Alberta

Single person considered employable: $9,377 (-$15,140)

Single parent, one child: $22,735 (-$11,937)

Single person with a disability: $10,837 (-$13,680)

Single person with permanent disabilty: $20,808 (-$3,709)

 

British Columbia

Single person considered employable: $9,512 (-$15,402)

Single parent, one child: $21,394 (-$13,840)

Single person with a disability: $15,293 (-$9,621)

 

Manitoba

Single person considered employable: $9,639 (-$12,888)

Single parent, one child: $22,347 (-$9,512)

Single person with a disability: $12,650 (-$9,877)

 

New Brunswick

Single person considered employable: $7,131 (-$14,243)

Single parent, one child: $20,111 (-$10,117)

Single person with a disability: $9,843 (-$11,531)

 

Newfoundland and Labrador

Single person considered employable: $11,386 (-$11,214)

Single parent, one child: $23,578 (-$8,383)

Single person with a disability: $11,586 (-$11,014)

 

Nova Scotia

Single person considered employable: $7,442 (-$15,494)

Single parent, one child: $18,372 (-$14,064)

Single person with a disability: $10,270 (-$12,666)

 

Ontario

Single person considered employable: $9,773 (-$14,791)

Single parent, one child: $21,788 (-$12,950)

Single person with a disability: $15,118 (-$9,445)

 

Prince Edward Island

Single person considered employable: $11,245 (-$10,596)

Single parent, one child: $22,158 (-$8,731)

Single person with a disability: $13,058 (-$8,783)

 

Quebec

Single person considered employable: $12,425 (-$8,106)

Single parent, one child: $22,361 (-$6,672)

Single person with a disability: $14,060 (-$6,470)

 

Saskatchewan

Single person considered employable: $8,829 (-$14,361)

Single parent, one child: $21,240 (-$11,555)

Single person with a disability: $11,465 (-$11,725)

Single person with permanent disability: $15,826 (-$7,364)

 

Northwest Territories

Single person considered employable: $25,910

Single parent, one child: $36,269

Single person with a disability: $31,237

 

Nunavut

Single person considered employable: $9,515

Single parent, one child: $19,059

Single person with a disability: $12,515

 

Yukon

Single person considered employable: $18,507

Single parent, one child: $34,756

Single person with a disability: $22,161

NorthReport

We do need a guaranteed annual income.

But it seems we are moving further and further away from it. Inheritance is what basically causes the inequality in our society which then leads to violence so let's abolish inheritance. Jack Layton was correct when he tried to bring in an inheritance tax but the big money boys told him to drop it.

Is that what seniors are supposed to do - spend the rest of their lives worrying about whether or not they are going to leave enough $ for their kids. Seniors should be enjoying their last years rather than such nonsense.

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canadas-bank-of...

Douglas Fir Premier

IMO, indifference has a lot more to do with why I'm living $9,455 below the poverty threshold than inheritance. It would take an increase of just over 67% to bring me up to that threshold. Think we'll see that kind of increase in any of the platforms when Ontario goes to the polls next year?

In 2018, Horwath's platform promised disabled folks a 15% increase over three years, if elected. Not that they campaigned on it, or tried to make a public case in support of it. But if one was motivated enough to go digging, you could find it buried deep, under the heading "Safer Province, Healthier Environment". Based on how many conversations I had pre-election with disabled folks who were under the mistaken belief that the NDP hadn't promised any increases at all (and were thus begrudgingly resigned to voting Liberal), it seemed as though NDP strategists made a calculation that it was better that potential beneficiaries remain in the dark than to risk the chance that it become fodder for Sun headline writers. But I digress.

If a Premier Horwath had been put into a position to implement her platform, I would have had $1334 deposited into my account this morning, instead of $1169 - a difference of $165. Given that the increase was to have been implemented over the first three years, and it will be year four by the time a new government is in place, and given that the cost of living has risen much faster over the past year and a half than anyone would have expected pre-COVID; surely the NDP will come out with a platform next year that promises an immediate year-one increase in excess of 15%, right? Right? I mean, while still wholly inadequate, that's at least a reasonable expectation based on their 2018 platform, no?

Except I don't know anyone who thinks there's even a remote possibilty that that'll happen. Can you imagine how the announcement of an immediate 15% increase would be received? I am certain that most - even NDP supporters - would find it outrageously extravagant. Because social assistance is not a sexy enough issue to move the needle for anyone other than those of us who are directly affected by it. Speaking out about it doesn't win the approval of one's peers. Nor does one's silence about it lose you the respect of anyone who matters.

NDPP

Barbaric and completely unacceptable that people are expected to survive on these outrageously inadequate supports. Something must be done to force additional funding. This is a national emergency that requires immediate attention.

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NDPP

Mutual Aid in a Post Pandemic World

https://this.org/2021/09/10/mutual-aid-in-a-post-pandemic-world/

"Mutual aid is a form of caretaking outside the parameters of the state, and many marginalized communities have been doing this work long before the global pandemic.

In an already deeply unequal world silenced in a pandemic, it is a politics that requires frankess about the current conditions people face..."

"Behind the deceptive words designed to entice people into supporting violence - words like democracy, freedom, self-defence, national security - There is the reality of enormous wealth in the hands of a few, while billions of people in the world are hungry, sick and homeless." - Howard Zinn -

eastnoireast

Douglas Fir Premier wrote:

IMO, indifference has a lot more to do with why I'm living $9,455 below the poverty threshold than inheritance. It would take an increase of just over 67% to bring me up to that threshold. Think we'll see that kind of increase in any of the platforms when Ontario goes to the polls next year?

In 2018, Horwath's platform promised disabled folks a 15% increase over three years, if elected. Not that they campaigned on it, or tried to make a public case in support of it. But if one was motivated enough to go digging, you could find it buried deep, under the heading "Safer Province, Healthier Environment". Based on how many conversations I had pre-election with disabled folks who were under the mistaken belief that the NDP hadn't promised any increases at all (and were thus begrudgingly resigned to voting Liberal), it seemed as though NDP strategists made a calculation that it was better that potential beneficiaries remain in the dark than to risk the chance that it become fodder for Sun headline writers. But I digress.

If a Premier Horwath had been put into a position to implement her platform, I would have had $1334 deposited into my account this morning, instead of $1169 - a difference of $165. Given that the increase was to have been implemented over the first three years, and it will be year four by the time a new government is in place, and given that the cost of living has risen much faster over the past year and a half than anyone would have expected pre-COVID; surely the NDP will come out with a platform next year that promises an immediate year-one increase in excess of 15%, right? Right? I mean, while still wholly inadequate, that's at least a reasonable expectation based on their 2018 platform, no?

Except I don't know anyone who thinks there's even a remote possibilty that that'll happen. Can you imagine how the announcement of an immediate 15% increase would be received? I am certain that most - even NDP supporters - would find it outrageously extravagant. Because social assistance is not a sexy enough issue to move the needle for anyone other than those of us who are directly affected by it. Speaking out about it doesn't win the approval of one's peers. Nor does one's silence about it lose you the respect of anyone who matters.

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"Speaking out about it doesn't win the approval of one's peers. Nor does one's silence about it lose you the respect of anyone who matters"

thank you for your posts, dfp, always read with interest.

the people may know
but the people don't care
that a man can be
as poor as me

from black peter, the grateful dead.

NorthReport

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NorthReport

What took them so long. Better late than never I suppose.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/youtube-anti-vax-1.6193392

NorthReport

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NorthReport

What is it going to take to shut down this mafia-style organization, at least in Canada, if not everywhere!

How much longer are our gutless government politicians in Ottawa going to shirk their responsibilities to children, Indigenous people and women?

Why has our fully aware, of the atrocities having been committed Liberal government in Ottawa, not seized the Roman Catholic Church's assets and turned them over as restitution to the Canadians that have been abused by mainly the priests, but the nuns as well, of this despicable but untouchable by the law, of this so-called religious institution?

Do Canadians have a clue how much money the Roman Catholuc Church and its subsidiaries are making off Canada's health care system?

What is Canada waiting for?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/03/since-1950-some-3000-paedo...

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/3/thousands-of-paedophiles-in-fre...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/irssa-log-catholic-in-kind-serv...

NorthReport

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eastnoireast

NorthReport wrote:
Lock 'em up. Put them in deprogramming institutions until their brains return to normal.

speaking of violence.

i can't see how this doesn't violate babble's comment policy, as an attack on both fundamental human rights, (the right to not be locked up and deprogramed for your views), and as " oppressive language that degrades marginalized communities," (those of us who don't want experimental shit in our veins).

if you don't think the vax-free are marginalized, you are either not paying attention, or are too busy marginalizing.

i've flagged the post as offensive; see how that goes. not hopeful.

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https://rabble.ca/about/babblepolicy/

babble is NOT intended as a place where the basic and fundamental values of human rights, feminism, anti-racism and labour rights are to be debated or refought.

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You will not post material that is inaccurate, abusive, hateful, harassing, obscene, threatening, invasive of a person’s privacy or otherwise in violation of Canadian law. You understand that racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, classist (e.g. poor-bashing) and other oppressive language that degrades marginalized communities is not acceptable.

eastnoireast

well, i would flag it as offensive, except beta babble seems to have eaten that option.   will sent the mods an email.

NorthReport

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eastnoireast
oldgoat

re: the above.  Emails to the mods don't come through to me.  I'll contact tech to see if I can get included in these.

Anyway, the comments in post # 21 are intemperate and are, as eastnoireast points out against babble policy for the reasons he states.  This is a hugely divisive and emotional issue and I'm surprised it hasn't caused more flareups here than it has.  So, NorthReport these antivaxxers are absolutely odious and reprehensibe people without a doubt.  Please lets be more measured in our rhetoric.  Don't suggest that the state should do things that likely you would strongly oppose if the state tried to take this power,

NDPP

Vaccine hesitancy is not new - history tells us we should listen, not condemn

https://theconversation.com/vaccine-hesitancy-is-not-new-history-tells-u...

"...We should be cautious about painting all who are unsure about new medical technology and treatments with the same broad brush.

This kind of skepticism has a long history, which should nudge us towards a more thoughtful and productive conversation about vaccines instead of the polarising vision of evil or stupid anti-vaxxer versus good responsible citizens.

This rhetoric matters, it obscures the far more nuanced set of reasons people hesitate, and it prevents us from thinking carefully about why we trust and why others might not."

JKR

cco

It has been truly remarkable (in a horrifying way) to watch the same communities (like babble) that stood up against Bush-era authoritarianism, the Patriot Act, Guantanamo Bay, and C-51 suddenly turn around and demand widespread censorship, state-corporate synergy, throwing away the constitution, curfews, arbitrary detention without trial, and literal fucking reeducation camps. Apparently all it takes is the right kind of crisis to bring this authoritarianism out in nearly everyone. Don't worry, though; I'm sure these powers will only ever be used to ends you agree with.

NDPP

I made my own decision after perusing a number of information sources to get vaccinated. Had I decided against taking these far from perfect experimental vaccines from Big Pharma, coercion,  or being called 'stupid' would not have persuaded me otherwise.

Whether you agree or disagree with the current public health measures or the particular 'science' relied upon to justify them, the assumption that all will or must think and act alike towards COVID-19, or that all dissent should be punished, suppressed or 'canceled' is discussed here. On matters concerning such a historic, world-shaking pandemic and the sweeping global actions being taken, alternative perspectives and conversations must surely, more than ever, remain permissible and of interest on a progressive site. Unless 'progressiveness' has come to mean something else entirely...?

The Pandemic Response as Contemporary Imperialism

https://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2021/08/22/The-pandemic-response-as-con...

"The almost uniform support for totalitarian lockdown measures and mandates from those on the left has been startling to see and has resulted in a feeling of potential homelessness for those whose leftist values are what led them to view the response to the pandemic with a sharp critical eye.

This article shows that the reason why so many on the left have abandoned the values of freedom of speech and movement, bodily autonomy and economic justice is because those people belong to the ideology of progressivism, which exists outside the left-right dichotomy.

One can recognize progressive imperialism because they are the ones who take their own beliefs as facts and those of the opposition as misinformation to be censored. They may pay lip-service to freedom of choice, but upon further questioning you will find that they also believe that people who make a choice in contradiction of progressive orthodoxy should be punished for exercising that 'freedom'..."

NorthReport

I removed my posts as per the moderator's comments but I just don't agree that individual human rights rule over everything else. When we have a national emergency in the form of a contagious disease human rights need to take a back seat to what is best for the community as a whole, in other words follow science.

Remember the days when people refused to wear a mask because it was such a terrible infringement on human rights.

NDPP

Yes, 'lock em up and put them in deprogramming institutions' - perhaps you and your ilk should first address your own obvious tendencies towards violence and denial?

Douglas Fir Premier

NDPP wrote:

Had I decided against taking these far from perfect experimental vaccines from Big Pharma, coercion,  or being called 'stupid' would not have persuaded me otherwise.

I have been leaning toward getting the vaccine at some point, but feel no obligation to do so according to anyone's timeline but my own. I can attest that the condescending attitudes of some progressives (such as exhibited in post #32) have probably had the opposite of their intended effect.

NDPP

[quote=NorthReport]

Remember the days when people refused to wear a mask because it was such a terrible infringement on human rights.

[quote=NDPP]

Remember the days when the highest medical authorities in the land told us NOT to wear a mask.

cco

NorthReport wrote:
I removed my posts as per the moderator's comments but I just don't agree that individual human rights rule over everything else. When we have a national emergency in the form of a contagious disease human rights need to take a back seat to what is best for the community as a whole, in other words follow science.

Remember the days when people refused to wear a mask because it was such a terrible infringement on human rights.

That's not the argument most people on babble are making, though, and the leap from "these idiots are putting everyone at risk" (true) to "clearly we need totalitarianism, it's an emergency" is not only the exact same leap that's resulted in the worst governments in human history, it also plays perfectly into the hands of the QAnon types who believe this virus is something made up to justify the imposition of a government exactly like the kind you've called for. Human rights matter more, not less, in a crisis. They give the baseline for interactions between the people and the governments ostensibly ruling on their behalf. I'm someone who got vaccinated as soon as possible, and I still find it terrifying how easily everyone has come to consider antivaxers less human than ISIS.

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:
I removed my posts as per the moderator's comments but I just don't agree that individual human rights rule over everything else. When we have a national emergency in the form of a contagious disease human rights need to take a back seat to what is best for the community as a whole, in other words follow science.

Remember the days when people refused to wear a mask because it was such a terrible infringement on human rights.

Balance. Just like you can't drive without a licence the list of things people can't do while unvaccinated will grow.

Individually we have the right to avoid situations in which we might be exposed to the unvaccinated. That includes barring the unvaccinated from entering venues where they might expose others to Covid 19 and it is logistically possible. They can't be denied medical services, but they can be barred from visiting hospitals or entering schools and other places people congregate.

No one had to be physically forced to wear a mask. They are just denied service if they aren't wearing one. That along with social shunning was enough for most.

The unvaccinated will have more and more trouble moving around in the world but it will be possible which is as it should be to the extent that they don't put the rest of us at risk.

eastnoireast

oldgoat wrote:

So, NorthReport these antivaxxers are absolutely odious and reprehensibe people without a doubt. 

in otherwords, "you can't say lock'em up, but feel free to shit on people you don't know anything about; that is acceptable behavior here"

ya just couldn't resist the dopamine rush, could you, knowing that no-one else here but me would call you on it.

NorthReport

And how many unnecessary deaths, and extreme illnesses, are going to occur in the name of human rights?
No of course nobody wants to discuss that no-no.
Somehow I think the human rights plot has been lost to the bleeding hearts.

eastnoireast

the vax-free are not a monlithic bloc of people. 

for starters, how about those who already had covid, which is pretty clearly waaaay better and longer lasting immunity than an injection?

why the fuck would someone in good health and a previous case of covid then go get an experimental injection, or two, or three?   

i thought the idea was that "we're all in this together", and the west shouldn't waste injections?

maybe it's about something else, like creating an "other". 

so convenient for the powers that be.

eastnoireast

NorthReport wrote:
And how many unnecessary deaths, and extreme illnesses, are going to occur in the name of human rights?
No of course nobody wants to discuss that no-no.
Somehow I think the human rights plot has been lost to the bleeding hearts.

sorry, i forgot - the injection is 100% safe for everyone! pre-pregnant, pregnant, breastfeeding - all good! happy happy! everything in it's place!

according to the director of the cdc, that is.
https://twitter.com/KimIversenShow/status/1444321768055848965

NorthReport

China actually has the correct approach. When a case of Covid19 is discovered the neighborhood gets completely shut down, nobody goes in or out except for survival supplies. And life goes back to normal after a relatively short time. None of the absurd pampering, no bleeding hearts there. Good on them.

JKR

Douglas Fir Premier wrote:
NDPP wrote:

Had I decided against taking these far from perfect experimental vaccines from Big Pharma, coercion,  or being called 'stupid' would not have persuaded me otherwise.

I have been leaning toward getting the vaccine at some point, but feel no obligation to do so according to anyone's timeline but my own. I can attest that the condescending attitudes of some progressives (such as exhibited in post #32) have probably had the opposite of their intended effect.

People or governments are not responsible for convincing people what they should or shouldn’t do. People and governments are free to protect people and this includes allowing people not to associate with others they reasonably feel are a threat to their health.

NorthReport

BC Government orders 30,000 health care workers to get vaccinated.
Good, but what took them so long!

https://vancouversun.com/news/covid-19-b-c-to-require-mandatory-vaccinat...

JKR

eastnoireast wrote:

for starters, how about those who already had covid, which is pretty clearly waaaay better and longer lasting immunity than an injection?

The evidence is not clear and more importantly how can the government know who has and has not been infected? If we followed this anti-vaccine bs we would completely overwhelm our health care system and allow many more people die from Covid and other illnesses our health care system could no longer respond to. The paranoid distrust of our healthcare system is very counterproductive.

NorthReport

Triage is the word they use now in Alberta and maybe other provinces as well. Fortunately in BC we have managed to keep enough space space in our hospitals for treating non-Covid sick patients but Covid could easily overwhelm us in BC and we would have to triage as well.
That selfishness by the anti-vaxers who are clogging our hospitals is just not acceptable.

And that is not evening addressing the burn out factor amongst health care workers.

Douglas Fir Premier

JKR wrote:
Douglas Fir Premier wrote:
NDPP wrote:

Had I decided against taking these far from perfect experimental vaccines from Big Pharma, coercion,  or being called 'stupid' would not have persuaded me otherwise.

I have been leaning toward getting the vaccine at some point, but feel no obligation to do so according to anyone's timeline but my own. I can attest that the condescending attitudes of some progressives (such as exhibited in post #32) have probably had the opposite of their intended effect.

People or governments are not responsible for convincing people what they should or shouldn’t do. People and governments are free to protect people and this includes allowing people not to associate with others they reasonably feel are a threat to their health.

Oh, is that the message here?

Please. You may want to believe I'm "stupid", but I'm not that stupid.

JKR

The message there was: Covid doesn't care about protecting or hurting peoples feelings or protecting or taking away peoples rights. It just propagates.

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