Texas’s effective anti-abortion law

..it confers blame on men. where it belongs.

..you try and make distinction. that's inaccurate. that's playing politics.

..maybe so but it's more than the narrow perspective you are offering in terms of how we got to this point. 

..i do say that but in reality that is not the end of the topic. again and again i say they don't work in a vacuum. the constitution is in play, the courts are in play the fed gov is in play. all that matters. really matters. as does the economic system that drives all that. 

..all those structures i am pointing out are dominated by men which is at the root of the abortion issue. men controlling women. why can't you address that?

..the democratic party like the republicans are part of the patriarchy. meaning people vote for the lesser evil. not because pro choice folk think otherwise. 

..i didn't say they were the same. only that the are a part of the patriarchy thus those interest they serve. 

..i posted this earlier. "it is playing politics. like saying your against war, racism and poverty. both parties are against none of these". 

..they play politics to offer choice, for electability sake. but serving the interests of the patriarchy offers a forever narrowing of difference as power accumulates to fewer and fewer individuals. this is viewed as moving further and further to the right. towards authoritarianism.   

..you can make a list of who is in charge. it wouldn't be that difficult to do these days. to say that the american people are in charge has never been the case.

..people still see lesser evil. like voting liberal instead of conservative. but the planet is still being destroyed. the military industrial complex and gas and oil rein supreme at the moment. and the expansion of nato guarantees us dominance of the world. be it republicans or democrats in power.   

You do realize it takes 2/3 of both house of congress and 3/4 of the states to pass a constitutional amendment?  I'm as well aware as anyone of how the electoral system is rigged against democracy.  What that has to do with the policy differences between the parties, I have no idea.

epaulo13 wrote:

..you can make a list of who is in charge. it wouldn't be that difficult to do these days. to say that the american people are in charge has never been the case.

..people still see lesser evil. like voting liberal instead of conservative. but the planet is still being destroyed. the military industrial complex and gas and oil rein supreme at the moment. and the expansion of nato guarantees us dominance of the world. be it republicans or democrats in power.   

If we are equating Democrats and Republicans because both are part of the same system aren’t we making the perfect the enemy of the good? I think social movements require allies. How can improvements happen in the U.S. without the people on the left there who support the Democratic Party being part of the solution? I think the left in the U.S. would become very marginal and ineffective if it rejected people who also support the Democratic Party.

..and i don't believe the political and economic systems will ever be reformed jkr. 

..to be honest i don't see those social movements and the allies you speak of want to co-opt those movements if they did exist. there is still potential for ignition around black lives and indigenous folk but massive uprising of ordinary folk need to occur once that happens. 

..the canary in the coal mine happened a long time ago. it has now reached the suppression of women via the abortion issue. very handmaid's tale stuff. 

laine lowe wrote:

Well it seems that the important point here is that women are constantly in a state of vigilance in both the US and Canada because no "leftish" party has dared enshrine the right for women's autonomous control over their bodies as a constitutional right (or Charter right in Canada). It's been one constant battle after another after limited gains made with Roe and Wade in the US and striking down laws criminalizing abortions in Canada.

..i agree. at every opportunity, at every moment in the in the past when democrats had the numbers to do so or to remove filibusters making it easier to do so..they didn't. this is not a mistake. awareness of the abortion issue ran deep within the feminists that passed through the party. still does. they just didn't/don't have the power to alter the entrenched patriarchy. what exists is deliberate. instability is a requirement of power that resides outside the parties..imo.

Touché my dear epaulo. It's a similar battle for LGBTQ+ rights as well. Both groups are constantly grappling with one infringement over another in state and provincial legislative actions. If I recall correctly, women in PEI and NB have to leave their province to access abortion services. As for LGBTQ+ issues, many provincial governments are placing roadblocks in terms of providing education and school club support (and lets not forget Florida's newest law).

..i came upon this quite by accident. part of an interview on peace in the war treaty thread. i immediately saw the link to this thread and the abortion issue.  

..the video is close to 2 hrs long but it won't take near that long to get the point.

..eta: watched the first 35 min of this video and it is excellent. will keep watching but not all at once.

Tithi Bhattacharya: Gender, Sexual and Economic Violence in Neoliberalism

This is super depressing news. Not that it's been protecting women in so many States that have successfully introduced extremely repressive legislation to limit access to abortions but now they can choose to forbid abortion outright under any circumstances whatever.