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LGBTQ2S+ & Conservatives

Premier Blaine Higgs was threatening to call a New Brunswick election over the rebellion six cabinet ministers and two other Progressive Conservative MLAs, more than a quarter of the PC caucus, that were initially opposed "over changes to Policy 713, which was designed to protect LGBTQ students". However,  did return to vote against a Green bill to ban shale gas development. Green Leader David Coon is calling for Higgs resignation. The url below includes a video explaining what Policy is and Higgs proposed changes. There is a growing anti-LGBTQ movement among Conservatives. 

New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs said he was willing to call an election over changes to Policy 713, which was designed to protect LGBTQ students, as he faced a rebellion from several of his top cabinet ministers Thursday. Six ministers and two backbench MLAs refused to attend the morning sitting of the legislature "as a way to express our extreme disappointment in a lack of process and transparency," they said in a statement. But any chance of the government falling appeared to fizzle by mid-afternoon when all eight returned to the house for a key vote.

The statement was signed by ministers Dororthy Shephard, Trevor Holder, Daniel Allain, Arlene Dunn, Jeff Carr, Jill Green, and backbenchers Ross Wetmore and Andrea Anderson-Mason. The eight Tories stayed away from question period less than an hour after Education Minister Bill Hogan announced the results of his review of Policy 713. The policy, enacted in 2020 after consultations with stakeholders and experts, established minimum standards for schools to ensure a safe, welcoming and inclusive environment for LGBTQ students.

Hogan's news conference laid out changes to three elements of the policy, including no longer making it mandatory for teachers and staff to respect the chosen names and pronouns of children under 16 without parental consent. The PC rebellion by more than a quarter of Higgs's caucus became clear when the eight MLAs delivered a written statement to reporters shortly before noon. Another change removes mention of gender identity when it comes to sports and other activities, saying only that students will be able to take part in safe and welcoming activities. A third change requires each school to have a general-neutral change room. In two cases, Hogan's descriptions of the changes didn't match the wording of the new document given to reporters, and the minister promised to make further changes to it.

But that wasn't enough to end the blooming PC rebellion by more than a quarter of Higgs's caucus. "It could potentially force an election," the premier told reporters moments after the dissidents released their statement. He'd been asked whether he might be forced to step down but instead raised the idea of triggering a campaign. "Would I do that? It's not without the realm of possibility. I believe that strongly in the case of finding a solution here where we do not exclude parents in their child's life." The prospect of the PCs losing a vote in the house was real for several hours. ...

A Green Party bill to ban shale gas development was due for a second reading debate and mid-afternoon vote. The statement by the eight PC dissidents did not say if they'd take part in that vote, but the government would need them in the house to stop the Green legislation from advancing. By the time the Green bill came up around 2:45 p.m., all eight were back in the house, giving the government enough votes to defeat the legislation. It wasn't clear whether they'd won any further concessions in return for their presence during a noontime caucus meeting.

Green Leader David Coon said earlier in the day that the extraordinary move by those Tories means Higgs must resign. "He clearly has lost the confidence of a sizeable part of his cabinet. He needs to go." Liberal Leader Susan Holt said her party was ready for an election and her MLAs would support any no-confidence vote against the government. "I think what we've seen today is this government is not up to the challenge of leading our education system, and not up to the challenge of leading a cabinet or a caucus," she said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/blaine-higgs-policy-713-new...

jerrym

During the PEI election, Conservative Premier Dennis King defended his anit-trans comment rather than apologizing after " audio was released of him saying 'you don't gotta drive everything down everybody's throat' when asked about trans issues". King defended his comment by saying ""I think that's just indicative of a conversation that you have from time to time at a door" . After getting negative feedback, King did apologize. Sadly I expect it will make almost no difference in his share of the vote on Monday.

A planned drag show for April 15th had to be cancelled due to online protests. Some parents are pushing to have school inclusivity guidelines rescinded. The LGTBQ+ community is cancelling the participation of all political parties in PEI's Pride Parade until "real meaningful action once the legislature reconvenes".

Dennis King is encouraging this anti-trans wave through his actions.

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P.E.I. PC Leader Dennis King is defending himself and his party's stance on protecting transgender rights after audio was released of him saying "you don't gotta drive everything down everybody's throat" when asked about trans issues.

In a 32-second clip released on social media Friday, King can be heard speaking with an unidentified voter about the trans community on Prince Edward Island. He later confirmed the other person was one of his constituents in District 15: Brackley-Hunter River, where he is seeking re-election in the April 3 election.

Who the constituent was, when it was recorded, and where it took place has not been made public. It was posted to social media by Kevin Arsenault, who ran against King in the 2019 PC leadership campaign. CBC reached out to Arsenault for more information on the audio but did not receive a response.

King said the entire conversation with the voter lasted roughly 30 minutes, and people shouldn't draw conclusions about it based on a short clip.

In another development late Monday, Pride P.E.I. said the organization no longer wants political leaders to participate in the Island's annual Pride Parade. The next one is scheduled for July 29.

"In recent years, Pride P.E.I. has been proud to have representation from all of the Island's major political parties in the parade, but sadly, this symbolic form of allyship has not been followed up with tangible efforts to address the rise in hate speech and acts of violence directed at our community," the statement read. "We feel there is no other choice but to suspend the entry of all provincial political parties until commitments are made, and followed up on with real meaningful action once the legislature reconvenes following the election."

Pride P.E.I. didn't single out King in the statement; the group said it's time for all political leaders to take a stand and invest in LGBTQ initiatives.

Here is that clip transcribed in full:

Voter: What else? Oh yeah, the trans situation —

King: Yeah.

Voter: — that is happening and getting forced down Islanders' throats here. And anybody that raises their hands, especially young women, young mothers, that are trying to protect their kids, and we've got someone like Paul MacNeill [publisher of The Graphic weekly newspaper] basically, you know, calling them crazies.

King: [Inaudible] You can't have a conversation.

Voter: Well, that's it. And it needs to be —

King: In a perfect world, be happy with who you are, go be happy with [inaudible]. You don't gotta drive everything down everybody's throat. And if they disagree, that's fine.

When CBC News asked him about that comment on Monday, King said he wasn't aware that he was being recorded.

"I think that's just indicative of a conversation that you have from time to time at a door, where you try to get to the bottom of where somebody is thinking, and where their thought process has developed from," King said.

"If I recall that conversation, it was more around the situation of [the] individual's thoughts of the book-reading incident that was happening at the King's Playhouse in Georgetown," he said.

A planned drag storytime reading at the theatre was the focus of online protests in February, leading organizers to postpone it until April 15. It followed on the heels of efforts by some Island parents to have the Public Schools Branch rescind guidelines meant to ensure schools are inclusive.

"My whole point, I guess, would continue to be that we have to be able, in the society that we live in, to have a conversation," said King.

"Hate and homophobia and discrimination has no place in the world, but we have to be able to have a conversation with everybody about these difficult transitional issues."

He added that in the conversation that was taped, he was trying to understand why that person had that specific opinion.

King said he's been very supportive of the trans community on P.E.I. and that human rights "need to be protected and defended on P.E.I."

At the P.E.I. Coalition of Women in Government forum last week, King said transphobic comments "need to be called out immediately.

"There are people who have lived here for far too long that are afraid of change and don't know how to deal with change," he said Thursday. "I want Prince Edward Island to be a place where you be who you want to be, love who you want to love, wear what you want to wear, and celebrate you and your uniqueness."

On Monday, King said that remains his stance. "That's what I believe, that we need to have these conversations," he said. "We need to talk to people to get to the basis of understanding of why they come to this belief."

Lucky Fusca is the executive director of the P.E.I. Transgender Network.

They said they understood the taped exchange as King saying he does believe the transgender community is, in fact, "shoving our existence down people's throats." Fusca called it "a very disgusting answer" and "spineless" given what King had said at the leaders' forum on Thursday.

"A true ally would have confronted the anti-trans rhetoric that the individual Dennis King was speaking to was putting forward, and ended the conversation or made room for trying to teach this individual." Fusca characterized giving a public appearance of wanting to call out transphobia while also having private conversations like the one in the released audio clip "extremely disappointing, damaging and harmful." "Our community has been and is currently under attack by anti-trans movements that are occurring on Prince Edward Island … and to not have direct and strong support from the leader of this province is unsurprising but also extremely disappointing."

Late Monday afternoon, King's office released a statement saying in part: "I should have more forcefully stood up for the transgender community and I apologize unreservedly to those who are rightly offended by my lack of action. "I had an opportunity in that moment to be a stronger ally for rights of transgender people and I fell short of the expectations of both myself and Islanders. I can and will do better."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-dennis-king-1.67...

jerrym

During the PEI election, Premier Dennis King's made anti-trans comments. Not coincidentally, there were more anti-trans threats made following his comments. He is part of the the problem. CBC has reported a surge in safety concerns for the transgender community in PEI. "The mental health toll that all of this is taking on our community is pretty profound'. The US anti-trans movement is adding fuel to the already existing fire of anti-trans bias in Canada, according to trans spokespeople in PEI.

The P.E.I. Transgender Network is holding a rally for trans rights on April 2nd.  The group says the rally is being planned in reaction to "ongoing and increased public displays of transphobia/anti-trans movements occurring across P.E.I." 

Lucky Fusca is the executive director of the group. They say that at the same time they are planning the rally, they have moved a health-care panel discussion from in-person to online because of safety concerns. "With the anti-trans rhetoric and movements happening globally and specifically on Prince Edward Island, there was a question from one of our panelists around safety," Fusca said. "And this is a shared sentiment with several other people involved. So we decided to move the event to a closed online meeting earlier in the week, and in its place we decided to launch 'Let's Get Loud,' which is going to be, for lack of a better word right now, a rally."

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Fusca said the group's intention — as a community which includes allies and stakeholders — is to organize in a more formal way, as the number of anti-trans incidents and comments on the Island grows.  Fusca points to the postponement of a drag storytime event planned for the Kings Playhouse in Georgetown, P.E.I., after it was the target of online attacks. The event has now been rescheduled for April 15th. As well, harmful comments were shared on social media after someone raised concerns about a drag performance at a Canada Games bingo event.

'Allyship is a verb'

A city spokesperson told CBC on Wednesday that no police report was filed in the matter, and there was no incident at the event in question. Still, the P.E.I. Transgender Network put out a call to action, asking that the original person who posted the comments be held accountable. "This is really just the start," said Fusca. "Allyship is a verb, and we're hoping to be able to give some folks some direction by providing a 'how to be an ally to the trans community 101' and some follow up with some actionable, tangible things that people can put into place in their lives to advocate for the trans community." ...

Hearing about and seeing anti-trans actions is terrifying, Fusca said. "I think the mental health toll that all of this is taking on our community is pretty profound, including myself," they said. Fusca said there is nowhere they can feel safe at the moment.  "Whether it's out in the physical world or through an online presence, I feel a decreased sense of safety ... I don't really feel safe anywhere on P.E.I. that isn't an exclusively a trans or queer space," they said. Fusca said the hope for the health-care panel was to bring health professionals together with transgender individuals....

"Unfortunately it's fairly common right now that a lot of the anti-trans bills that are being introduced in the States are attacking the health-care system and health-care providers. It's a pretty scary space to be a trans individual, but also a scary space to be a health-care provider in different states, as the laws are criminalizing the care itself and the providers if they're providing care," they said.  "So to protect both our community and health-care practitioners, we decided to pivot this event." 

As for the rally, Fusca said there were fewer safety concerns because it will be a ticketed event, and people will have to abide by safer-space policies.  "We have some posters that we'll be putting up in the event space, and we'll be verbally reading the safer-space statement to all of the attendees at this event. So if anybody is found to be violating the safer-space [protocol], they will be removed from the event."

Fusca said there are a few theories about why more anti-trans comments and actions have appeared in the past few years. "A big one is the fact that folks feel very emboldened because they're not seeing consequences to actions as they relate to pretty much hate crimes or hateful discriminatory behaviours... "There was a lot, a lot, a lot of hate that was being spread and platformed through the freedom convoy movement. And there was little to no consequences for these individuals' actions and for that movement as a whole," they said. "Which is partly why I think that we're seeing that increase in public displays of transphobia and homophobia and racism throughout P.E.I. It's always been here. It's just a matter of: 'Why is it happening now?'"

When it comes to being an ally, Fusca said the first thing to think about is listening, and then acting if a call to action is put out. "They're going to listen to the community, the community organizations that are asking this of of them as allies and actually put it into action. So showing up in these spaces. Advocate for our community," they said. 

Another thing for people to remember is how to react when someone from the trans community shares their experience.  "If a trans person or an organization is sharing an experience or sharing something that's unfolding, it's a great practice for allies to — even if inside they're surprised by what they're hearing — to not express that to the individual because it can undermine or belittle their experience," Fusca said. "Make space to really just listen to the individual rather than sharing any notions around it being surprising or out of character."

That can also relate to comparisons.  "If we're comparing what's happening in the United States to here, we often get this rhetoric, 'Oh, you know, at least we're not in the States'. And the reality is that we pretty much are. It just looks different here," they said. 

And then, Fusca said, ask what someone needs. That's something to think about when you're talking to anybody.  Some suggested questions: "Would you like me to be a sounding board? Is there anything specific that I could do that could help you in this moment?" 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/cbc-pei-anti-trans-s...

jerrym

In early April 2023, Quebec Conservative leader Eric Duhaime launched a petition demanding public funds and institutions such as libraries not be allowed to have drag show hours, thereby imitating the anti-trans invective of the Republican party and continuing his decades long anti-gay, anti-Muslim, racist, and misogynist history. Nearly 20,000 people signed the anti-trans petition in just two days. Despite unanimous support by all parties in the Quebec legislature or maybe because of the petition in part the the latest poll shows the Quebec Conservatives up 6% in the Quebec City region, leaving them just 5% behind CAQ and 3% behind the PQ in the area, although the CAQ's cancelling of the tunnel across the St. Lawrence helped drop the CAQ's popularity in Quebec City (see post #5 for details). Nevertheless, such results in the election would virtually guarantee some Quebec Conservative seats in the Quebec City region and a voice for Duhaime in the legislature. 

When people protested loudly outside a drag queen story hour in front of children in the South Shore community of Ste-Catherine earlier this month, politicians and activists rallied behind the performers, who are part of the LGBTQ2S+ community. Even the Quebec national assembly reacted by unanimously adopting a resolution denouncing intolerance towards the LGBTQ2S+ community.

But the Quebec Conservative Party leader claims many Quebecers aren’t comfortable with drag performers reading books to young audiences. "There's a strong percentage of the population in Quebec that does not agree with the drag queens in our kindergarten, our schools or our public libraries," Duhaime told CTV News outside the national assembly, where his party failed to win any seats during the last provincial election. Duhaime says not everyone is on board with the government. "It a unanimous consent in the national assembly behind me, and apparently, there's a democratic disconnect."

Duhaime launched a petition demanding public funds not be used to promote drag queen story hours, and that parents must first give specific consent. Nearly 20,000 people signed the document in just two days. "It's the parents who should decide if yes or no they want to get their kids to introduce the theory of gender, for example, or sexual identity that exists. It's not the role of a drag queen to do that," added Duhaime, who himself is a member of the LGBTQ2S+ community.

But other activists point out that drag queen story hours were created to teach inclusion and tolerance. "I think this is part of a broader reaction against the fact that Quebec has become increasingly inclusive over the last decade; in a way, this is a backlash to it," said trans activist Celeste Trianon.

Trianon, who is also the executive director of the Trans Legal Collective, said the radicalization against trans people and drag queens has led to violence and that she fears Duhaime's actions will lead to new forms of intolerance. "Trans people are scared now because even if they have rights now, they're very volatile, and can easily be stolen away," Trianon said.

Other parties at the national assembly dismissed Duhaime's petition as political posturing, while worrying about the message he's sending to his followers."He needs to be very careful about the issues he brings forward because he's opening up a debate that will cause a ripple effect and have a very negative impact on a community he himself is a member [of]," said Jennifer Maccarone, the Quebec Liberal Party's critic on LGBTQ2S+ issues and MNA for Westmount-St-Louis.

But Duhaime isn't budging. He wants to present his petition to the national assembly, once he has enough people backing him.

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-conservative-party-leader-launches-dr...

jerrym

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has an extremely concerning anti-LGBTQ history. 

Alberta’s new premier Danielle Smith has an alarming history of refusing to condemn anti-LGBTQ2S+ rhetoric. 

Danielle Smith, who was elected to lead Alberta’s United Conservative Party on October 6, was embroiled in controversy in 2012 after the anti-LGBTQ2S+ blog of a fellow candidate for the Wildrose Party re-emerged during the provincial election. As the right-wing political party’s then leader, Smith was running to become the next Alberta premier, and polling indicated she was the frontrunner in the race—that is, until the comments resurfaced.

 “You can live the way you were born,” wrote Allan Hunsperger, a preacher and Wildrose candidate in Edmonton, “and if you die the way you were born, then you will suffer the rest of eternity in the lake of fire, hell, a place of eternal suffering.”

Smith refused to apologize for the remarks and did not remove his nomination as a candidate. “I think it’s important for us to have the conversation, about religious freedom and freedom of speech, and equality rights, because I think this is really what this comes down to,” she told CBC News at the time.

During the campaign, Smith stated that she personally was “pro-choice and pro-gay marriage,” according to the Canadian Press.

Despite Smith’s stated support for the community, the Wildrose Party ran on an explicitly anti-LGBTQ2S+ platform in 2012. Its platform included proposed legislation for so-called “conscience rights” that would allow health professionals and marriage commissioners to discriminate against people in line with their personal beliefs. Doctors would have been permitted to refuse abortion care, while marriage commisioners would have the right to turn away queer couples who wish to marry. ...

The Wildrose Party, which ultimately merged with the Progressive Conservative Party in 2017 to become the UCP, continued its uneasy relationship with LGBTQ2S+ equality following the election. In 2013, the party voted in favour of adopting a policy affirming equal rights for all—regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation—but elected to roll back its promise in 2014. 

Smith, who had led the Wildrose Party since 2009, told CBC Newsshe was not in the room when the vote was taken. Ultimately, Smith stepped down from the Wildrose Party in 2014 and joined the Progressive Conservative caucus prior to the party’s merger with UCP. In 2015, she lost her seat in the provincial legislature.

After leaving politics, Smith began running a restaurant in southern Alberta and hosted The Danielle Smith Podcast. In an op-ed for Rabble, writer David Climenhaga described her show as a platform for “quack COVID cures” and “dangerous pandemic conspiracy theories.”

In her return to the spotlight, Smith ran in a bid to replace resigning Premier Jason Kenney after a May leadership review found Kenney earning just 51.4 percent of party members’ approval. Smith ran on an “Alberta First” platform, pitching a proposal that would allow Alberta to bypass federal regulation. If adopted, the “Sovereignty Act” would permit the building of pipelines without federal approval, and allow the province to ignore national law. 

Despite being unconstitutional, the plan could also result in an attempt by Alberta to disregard federally regulated LGBTQ2S+ rights, such the federal ban on conversion therapy passed last year. Advocates expressed concern to Xtra about the impact of Thursday’s elections on Alberta’s LGBTQ2S+ population. 

“Many LGBTQ2S+ Albertans and their families will be watching Danielle Smith and the UCP closely to ensure human rights are respected and LGBTQ2S+ rights will not come under attack” ... said Kristopher Wells, a Canada Research Chair in sexual and gender minority youth at MacEwan University. “Our LGBTQ2S+ communities are mindful of how other populist governments around the world have sought to demonize and use LGBTQ2S+ people as political scapegoats to advance far-right agendas.  “This is a precarious time for many Albertans who are feeling threatened and vulnerable,” Wells added.

Aside from her record as a legislator, Smith has also donated around $60,000 to the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, a group that has links to the “Freedom Convoy” that terrorized Ottawa earlier this year. The convoy was largely organized by right-wing, anti-LGBTQ2S+ activists.

https://xtramagazine.com/power/danielle-smith-new-alberta-premier-237362

jerrym

Quebec Conservative Party leader Eric Duhaime, despite his spewing of anti-muslim, anti-LGBTQ2S+, anti-African-Canadian, anti-vaccine hatred for years, has had a close relationship with Pierre Poilievre for two decades. "Éric Duhaime, Québec’s conservative leader, and Pierre Poilievre, the federal leader, have known each other for 20 years. As a young political staffer in 2003, Poilievre spent his vacation door knocking to help Duhaime run as MNA for the right-wing Action Démocratique du Québec. They share many of the same supporters and populist approach. Duhaime is a former “shock jock” radio host in Quebec City, where his support is strongest. Elected leader only six months ago, he has the ability to leverage the anger of anti-vax extremists to build his base. He is a master communicator with an uncanny ability to connect with regular folks." (https://www.therecord.com/ts/opinion/contributors/2022/09/21/duhaime-poi...)

The title of the url below (translated from French by Google Translate)  is "Like Poilievre, Duhaime wants to free Quebec from wokes". Poilievre is much smoother in his delivery of his positions, but a lot of their ideas are very similar. After all, Pierre was very supportive of the Freedom Convoy despite its many groups with numerous biases against others.

Éric Duhaime echoed the words of the new leader of the Conservative Party of Canada (CPC), Pierre Poilievre, who said yesterday that he wanted to liberate Quebec from Justin Trudeau's woke government. ...

According to the leader of the Conservative Party of Quebec (PCQ), "wokism" consists of wanting to divide society according to certain characteristics, mainly affecting sexual orientation and gender identity, and practicing positive discrimination. ...

Before entering his campaign bus Sunday morning, Éric Duhaime congratulated Pierre Poilievre on his election as leader of the CPC. He seemed enthusiastic about perhaps working with the new federal Conservative leader, with whom he believes he has hooked atoms.

 

https://www.journaldequebec.com/2022/09/11/comme-poilievre-duhaime-veut-...

jerrym

Kelly Lamrock, New Brunswick's Youth, Child and Seniors Advocate, is calling out New Brunswick's Progressive government over the changes it has made to Policy 713 on creating a a safe school environment for these students, saying that they discriminate against LGBTQ2S+ students. As a lawyer, he feels certain they would not survive a charter rights challenge. 

Changes announced last week to New Brunswick's policy on sexual orientation in schools are "incredibly vague and shoddy" and could open the door to discrimination, the province's youth and child advocate warned Monday. Kelly Lamrock said the vagueness of the changes could create confusion for school administrators and introduce uncertainty for children at a time when they need understanding. "The drafting here (of the policy), regardless of the issue, is so shoddy and inadvertently discriminatory that it really doesn't seem to meet anybody's purposes," he told reporters.

The Progressive Conservative government made three changes to Policy 713, which come into effect next month. Students under 16 will now need parental consent to change their name or pronouns at school; universal washrooms will have to be private; and the policy on sports no longer states students' participation will be "consistent with their gender identity."

 Premier Blaine Higgs said last week the changes to the three-year-old policy were to ensure that "secrets aren't being kept from parents." "My position is very clear in relation to the role that families and parents need to play in their children's growth," he said.

Lamrock called the review, which began in April, "incoherent." Last month he revealed the review was spurred by three complaints, even though the government said they received "hundreds" of concerns from a variety of groups, including parents and teachers.

Both the old and new policies required that students under 16 get parental consent to officially change their name and pronouns. The old policy said they could choose to be called what they liked at school unofficially. The new policy is unclear on unofficial preferences of names and pronouns for students under 16.

"If Terrance wants to be called by a nickname, it would be absurd to ask teachers to agree to use Terry but not Terri because of perceptions about the motivation," Lamrock said. "If there is a situation where somebody is choosing a name, and you suspect it might be for gender identity purposes, you have a whole different process and new barriers. That's textbook legal discrimination." Calling people the name they wish to be called is a simple courtesy, he added.

He questioned how teachers would deal with other personal issues that students might not want to share with a parent."What about straight students who might be dating or sexually active? What about if a student, whose parents are devout Muslim, decides she doesn't want to wear the hijab at school even though her parents wish she would? What if a child with an ethnic background decides they like a nickname that sounds more North American even though their parents wish they wouldn't for cultural reasons? What are the rules on all that?"

With regard to universal washrooms, he said schools cannot control what facilities will be available when students are on field trips. And he questioned why the government felt the need to remove wording from the section on sports that referred to participation consistent with their gender identity.

Lamrock said his office is assembling a team of lawyers to draft a memo for schools offering guidance on grey areas in the revised policy. "We're going to provide that so teachers and principals have something to rely on when making their decisions," he said.

https://www.iheartradio.ca/ctv-news-content/new-brunswick-child-advocate...

jerrym

It appears the Progressive Conservative Blaine Higgs government lied about the number of complaints they received about Policy 713 and the protection it provided LGBTQ2S+ students. After  more than two years in operation the policy change had generated little public debate until last month. Even though Kelly Lamrock, the province's child and youth advocate, asked for "the correspondence that triggered the review", the conservative government sent him three email complaints, not the hundred the minister claimed had been received. This sure looks its much more the conserative government's agenda than the public. Furthermore, it doesn't even look like it is the entire government's agenda as more than one quarter of the PC caucus boycotted the legislature in protest for half a legislative day until Premier Higgs threatened to call an election over it. Child and Youth Advocate Lamrock called the review of Policy 713 "broken and incoherent" and recommended it be paused, but the Higgs government went ahead with the implementation of the changes. Lamrock later said he was sure the policy changes could not survive a charter challenge.

 

New Brunswickers still don't know exactly how many complaints triggered the review of a policy meant to protect LGBTQ students and likely won't be able to find out before the review is finalized.

Education Minister Bill Hogan said the review of Policy 713 was triggered by "misinterpretations and concerns," and said the province had received hundreds of complaints about it. ...

The policy was implemented in 2020 and guarantees minimum protections to LGBTQ kids in school, including providing gender-neutral washrooms and respecting their pronouns in the classroom.

Premier Blaine Higgs confirmed this week the main issue with the policy is that it says if a child under 16 wants an informal name or pronoun change, teachers are required to get consent of the child before telling their parents. Parents still have to sign off on any formal changes and the policy does not change that.

Policy 713 triggered little public debate until two weeks ago. ...

 On May 5, a small group of people holding placards protesting its implementation stood outside a school where teachers were holding professional development sessions. That's when the province confirmed to media that it had been reviewing the policy since mid-April. On Thursday, spokesperson Morgan Bell said the decision to review was "communicated" on April 21, but she did not answer a question about when the decision to review was made.

On Friday, when asked why he wouldn't share the details of the complaints or the complaints themselves, Hogan told Information Morning Fredericton, "It's not my place to release private communication with me."

The closest anyone has come to uncovering the substance of the complaints received by the government is Kelly Lamrock, the province's child and youth advocate.

He asked the province for the correspondence that triggered the review, and officials sent him copies of three emails. All three make unsubstantiated and sometimes homophobic claims. They also address curriculum concerns, which Policy 713 does not dictate, and none of them referred to the specific policy. 

One, sent in December of 2022, said LGBTQ material should not be taught because it's against Christian beliefs.

Another email, from October 2022, said kids are being taught "Marxist" and "unscientific nonsense" about gender.

The third one, from April 4, 2023, referred to a long-debunked conspiracy theory about litter boxes in schools. The writer of the April email said, "I am not homophobic," and "humans are created male and female and nothing can change that."

Based on these emails, and other information given to him by the province, Lamrock said he recommended that the province pause the review and called the process "broken and incoherent. I am not sure any government decision could survive if receiving three complaints led to reconsideration," he wrote. ...

When Liberal Party Leader Susan Holt stood up in Question Period on Wednesday and asked about the discrepancy between "hundreds" of complaints and just three, Hogan said Lamrock "asked for a couple of samples … up to a certain point in March."

In fact, in his correspondence with the province, which was included in his report released earlier in the week, Lamrock asked for "any correspondence containing the misinterpretations or concerns" the department was citing as the basis for the review. ...

The CBC has filed a right-to-information request for the complaints. Response to a request takes 30 days and often requires an extension to 60 days and sometimes longer.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-lgbtq-rights-...

jerrym

There are now three cabinet ministers who have resigned from New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs cabinet (there were two at the time of the writing of the article below) over Higgs forcing through is changes to weaken Policy 713 protections to LGBTQ2S+ students in elementary and high school, as well as his extreme top-down management style. Higgs says he may call an election over this. 

New Brunswick Social Development Minister Dorothy Shephard, who was among several Progressive Conservative government members who disagreed with changes to the province’s LGBTQ policy in schools, resigned Thursday from cabinet.

Her two-sentence handwritten resignation letter said she could no longer remain in the cabinet of Premier Blaine Higgs. “I resign from cabinet, effective immediately,” she wrote.

Shephard told reporters that her resignation wasn’t only due to Policy 713, which establishes minimum standards for schools to ensure a safe, welcoming and inclusive environment for LGBTQ students. “I resigned because there is no process,” she said, wearing a rainbow flag on her left lapel. Cabinet and caucus are routinely dismissed. I have been struggling with this since October of 2021. I have had colleagues and friends encourage me to stay in the inner circle to do the best I can do. I feel I’ve done that. But I’ve run out of runway. There’s no accomplishing anything more in this cabinet. So I’m ready to leave.”

Higgs said he stood by the changes made to the policy and called Shephard’s resignation unfortunate. “I think it’s unfortunate that if someone says, ‘Well, I didn’t get the vote I wanted or the majority of caucus didn’t agree with me,’ that you walk away,” he said.

The legislature voted Thursday afternoon for the province’s child and youth advocate to consult with stakeholders about the changes made to Policy 713. The changes include requiring students under 16 to receive parental consent before they can change their names or pronouns at school. The new policy also removes language stating that students’ participation in sports will “be consistent with their gender identity.”
Eight members of the Tory caucus, including Shephard, sat out question period on June 8 in protest of the policy. Shephard said Thursday that she felt she was going to be removed from cabinet for speaking her mind. “I’ve always tried to be very honest, very frank,” she said. “It’s my job to be frank with the premier, to give my opinions, to give my counsel, my guidance, my input. That’s what I do. And that’s what I’ve done. I’m fine. I’m OK.”

Shephard is the second minister to resign from Higgs’s cabinet. Dominic Cardy, who served as education minister, resigned in October citing the premier’s “wrecking-ball” leadership style.

Higgs said it could be argued that Shephard and Cardy quit because they didn’t get their way. “Maybe both were strong cabinet ministers. Both, maybe in (that) sense, were very convicted in their views.” Higgs reiterated that he is willing to call an election over changes made to Policy 713. “I guess if this situation drives an election to come forward, I will certainly be running in it,” he said. “We are addressing a lot of issues in the province. And they aren’t easy. This is probably one of the most sensitive ones. And it takes resolve, but it takes having balanced discussions and a balanced approach. And this is an approach of how do we engage parents. That’s what this is about.”

https://globalnews.ca/news/9771912/n-b-cabinet-minister-dorothy-shephard...

jerrym

There are strong rumours of a "Possible snap election in N.B. swirling over LGBTQ2 policy backlash" that Higgs instigated when he reduced Policy 713 protections to LGBTQ2S students. This has already ready caused three cabinet ministers to resign in protest. There are rumours that Higgs may call an election as early as Monday to end his cabinet and policy problems, as well as avoid a leadership review that some PCs are calling for. If the election is called, it would be an election in which no party is ready in terms of candidate nominations etc.

Premier Blaine Higgs says he welcomes the prospect of a leadership review following a week of dissent within the New Brunswick Progressive Conservative Party, partly over changes to Policy 713. "I'm very confident in the results we've had for the province but if this issue has brought this to a head I'm equally confident I'm speaking for many parents that want a voice in their child's ... very formative years," he said.

Questions around the future of Higgs' leadership and a possible snap election continued to swirl as the legislature rose for the summer Friday. Former Hatfield-era PC cabinet minister and riding district association president Jean-Pierre Ouellett is openly calling for a review of Higgs' leadership, citing concerns over linguistic divisions in the province. "There is still time to hold your head high: not everything has been negative under your rule, but the time has come to recognize that for the good of the party, its members and the population, in general, the countdown has begun," he wrote in a Facebook post. "I call on caucus, members and riding presidents to take immediate action."

Former education minister-turned-independent MLA Dominic Cardy has been vocal for weeks about his views on the premier's leadership. Cardy, who is still a member of the party despite being turfed from caucus following his fiery resignation from cabinet, says it's time for the premier to step aside. "I hope my colleagues do the right thing and I hope we soon have a leadership change," he said Friday.

Oullett says he has formally written to the party executive to request a leadership review. According to the party's constitution, a review is initiated following an election defeat, or after 50 members write to the provincial executive to request one. Included in those 50 members must be 25 riding association presidents. Then, the provincial executive must vote two-thirds in favour of a review. Global News emailed all PC riding association presidents on Thursday. Only three replied, all of which said they had not asked for a review and did not intend to.

Meanwhile, Higgs has been facing challenges within his own caucus. Over the last week, eight members of the Tory caucus have spoken out against changes to Policy 713, which sets minimum standards to ensure an inclusive environment for LGBTQ2 students in the school system. On Thursday six of those MLAs voted with the opposition to ask the province's child and youth advocate to prepare a report on the impact of those changes, the main one being that it will no longer be mandatory for teachers to respect the chosen name or pronouns of students under 16 without parental permission. Liberal leader Susan Holt says that those government MLAs were even involved in drafting the final version of the motion, a brazen show of defiance to the premier.

Social development minister Dorothy Shephard resigned from cabinet following that vote, saying the premier's management style had become too much to bear. ...

Higgs has called the revolt "unfortunate" but says he's committed to moving forward and focusing on issues that affect all New Brunswickers. "The challenge we have as a party is are we going to implode within ourselves, or are we going to think of the bigger picture and the bigger prize," he said Friday. "We've never had our province perform better than it has in the last three years so we cannot lose that momentum and so you have to look at the bigger picture. It doesn't mean you don't talk about tough issues, but it means you find solutions. It doesn't mean you walk away or vote against your government, it means as a team you find solutions."

Aboriginal affairs minister Arlene Dunn is part of the eight rebellious caucus members. She was away in Ottawa for Thursday's vote, but says she would have supported the opposition motion had she been in the house. Dunn didn't answer directly when asked if she still supports the premier, but said when it comes to issues like Policy 713 the party needs to listen to experts. "I have full confidence in our party and I think that we need to really get back on track with respect to what matters to New Brunswickers," she said. "I don't think that the PC party does well on issues like these and I think that we need to steer clear of those discussions and opening up those things. I think there are experts that can really guide us on those issues and I think that's where we need to focus."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/possible-snap-election-in-nb-swirli...

jerrym

New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs continues to defend " revised Policy 713 Friday, saying he is standing up for parents and if doing so requires a leadership review then so be it", but is vague over whether he will call an election over it. "If this issue has brought this to a head, I'm equally confident that I'm speaking for many parents who want a voice," he said. "If that is necessitating a leadership review I guess it'll be what it'll be."  The results of such an election and/or leadership review could determine to what extent other Conservatives push an anti-LGBTQ@S+ agenda. 

New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs said Friday he is open to a party vote on his leadership, but remained vague on whether he'll call an early provincial election.

Higgs is facing a rising wave of dissent from his caucus over his leadership style and his government's changes to the province's policy on sexual orientation in schools. On Thursday, Dorothy Shephard quit as social development minister, and last week, eight Progressive Conservative dissidents -- including Shephard and five other ministers -- sat out question period in protest.

Asked what the odds were of the province heading into an early election, Higgs told reporters, "I don't play the odds, actually. I don't. So, I'm not going to delve into an election philosophy." His majority government's mandate ends in October 2024.

The controversy erupted June 8 after Education Minister Bill Hogan introduced changes to Policy 713, which sets out standards for schools to ensure welcoming and inclusive environments for LGBTQ students. Among the changes is a new requirement for teachers to obtain parental consent before they use the preferred pronouns and names of transgender and nonbinary students under the age of 16.

LGBTQ advocates have said the policy violates the rights of children, but Higgs has said the changes ensure parents are kept informed about issues affecting their kids.

On Thursday, Shephard resigned from Higgs' cabinet and voted with the Opposition on a motion calling on the province's youth and child advocate to review the changes to the LGBTQ policy. Five other members of Higgs' party voted with Shephard: ministers Jeff Carr, Daniel Allain and Trevor Holder, and backbenchers Ross Wetmore and Andrea Anderson-Mason. The Tory rebels caused the motion to pass 26-20.

Higgs defended the revised Policy 713 Friday, saying he is standing up for parents and if doing so requires a leadership review then so be it.

"If this issue has brought this to a head, I'm equally confident that I'm speaking for many parents who want a voice," he said. "If that is necessitating a leadership review I guess it'll be what it'll be."

But Shephard said it wasn't just changes made to Policy 713 that made her quit.

"I resigned because there is no process. Cabinet and caucus are routinely dismissed," she told reporters Thursday. "I have been struggling with this since October of 2021."

J.P. Lewis, political science professor at the University of New Brunswick, Saint John, said Higgs' leadership style is under the microscope now that Shephard has left cabinet.

But she is the second minister to quit his cabinet in protest since October, when Dominic Cardy resigned as education minister and wrote a letter calling out the premier's "wrecking-ball" leadership style.

While Shephard did not send such a letter, Lewis said her comments with reporters "fitted with Cardy's viewpoint." Her public resignation, he said, which she made on the floor of the legislature, was "quite remarkable."

"It was easy to kind of see Cardy's resignation as possibly a one-off he had mentioned that others would agree with him, but it was a matter of waiting to see if there's other folks in cabinet who think that the way that Higgs leads is problematic," he said.

"The Policy 713 issue really brought everything to a head. It was a bit surprising, to be honest."

Lewis said it's unclear whether more members of Higgs' government will resign.

 "I think right now, we're in a position where are there other shoes that drop, other dominoes to fall? Because there is the possibility that this is it. This was the small revolt Higgs experienced. Even though it's rare, it happens."

Higgs might be led to call an election if more members of his party resign, or if he wants to solidify his position as head of the province's Progressive Conservatives.

"We're definitely closer to an early election than we would have been a couple of weeks ago, that's for sure," Lewis said.

https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/new-brunswick-premier-open-to-leadership-tes...

jerrym

The anti-LGBTQ2S+ comments of Conservative Premiers Blaine Higgs of New Brunswick, Dennis King of PEI, Quebec Conservative Party leader Eric Duhaime, and Alberta Premier Danielle Smith (see above posts), and a host of other Conservative Party politicians are not an accident. Not only are they imitating what is going on in the Republican Party in the US, " many Conservatives are involved in the Canadian version of the Christian right.

The following CBC article "Inside the fundamentalist Christian movement that wants to remake Canadian politics" shows how Liberty Coalition Canada, a conservative Christian advocacy group, is trying to raise $1.3 million to recruit hundreds of Christian politicians and campaign staff to run at all levels of government." Furthermore, "Liberty Coalition Canada claims to have helped 110 Christian candidates in municipal and school board elections last year in Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and British Columbia. It says 16 of those 110 candidates were elected in 2022. ... The internal Liberty Coalition document obtained by CBC News suggests it is entertaining even grander ambitions for the future. "Over the next few years, I want to systematically manufacture 10,000 new Christian political candidates across Canada," says the document ... Unaware he was speaking with a CBC News journalist, an individual at its booth handed over a copy of the document, saying it was "a plan to help Christians infiltrate the political system"...Windsor Ont. pastor Rev. Aaron Rock, who was charged  with breaking COVID-19 rules following a church service, said "We would want to see people elected to office, and installed in the academies of our country, and in our legal system who aren't ashamed to consult God's eternal laws when it comes to the decisions that they make," he said in a voice memo to CBC News".
They are part of the Reconstructionist movement that "advocates capital punishment for homosexuality, adultery and abortion ... Wilson's ideal society, according to Gribben, would be run along biblical lines: same-sex marriage and abortion would be illegal; men would be in charge and women would be at home with the children".
American Reconstructionist pastor Doug "Wilson is also known for having romanticized slavery in his earlier writings and denigrates the LGBTQ community. Last year, he called trans people "mentally ill. ... Wilson has encouraged Canadian Christians to follow his lead. "Jesus Christ commanded Christians in Canada to have as the direct object of all their missionary endeavours the evangelization and conversion of Canada," Wilson said in 2019. "
Another institute fellow, Jeffery Ventrella, works for the Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative Christian legal advocacy organization that is considered an anti-LGBTQ hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. As a registered charity, the Ezra Institute operates mainly through donations. The Hultink Family Foundation, operated by John Hultink, founder of the online book wholesaler Book Depot in Thorold, Ont., has given the institute close to $6 million, according to Canada Revenue Agency filings

Trinity Bible is one of the most prominent churches in a fundamentalist Christian movement that has gained momentum in Canada, initially by challenging pandemic public health restrictions. This movement is now increasingly involved in electoral politics, advocating for conservative social and political policies based on literal interpretations of the Bible.

Liberty Coalition Canada, a conservative Christian advocacy group, is trying to raise $1.3 million to recruit hundreds of Christian politicians and campaign staff to run at all levels of government. In a document marked "please keep classified" that was obtained by CBC News, the group says its ultimate goal is "the most powerful political disruption in Canadian history." Working alongside Liberty Coalition Canada are dozens of churches across the country, a number of small media outlets and at least one well-funded think-tank.

While theological and political differences exist among them, many supporters of this movement share a vocal opposition to LGBTQ rights and other social justice causes.  Several Canadian pastors in the movement also have ties to a controversial branch of evangelical Christianity in the U.S. known as reconstructionism.

Scholars say reconstructionist ideals — often linked to Christian nationalism, the idea that the United States is a Christian country — are influencing how some Canadian evangelicals are responding to issues like legalized abortion, same-sex marriage and added protections for gender minorities.  "Some Christians in Canada over the last 10 years have begun to push back," said John Stackhouse, a professor of religious studies at Crandall University in Moncton, N.B.

Liberty Coalition Canada was formed in early 2021 by Michael Thiessen, a pastor at Grace Baptist Church in Alliston, Ont., who broke with that church over his public opposition to public health measures in place at the time. Thiessen helped draft a statement — known as the Niagara Declaration — that argued limits on religious gatherings were a violation of church sovereignty. Nearly 300 mostly Protestant churches and organizations across Canada, including Trinity Bible, signed the declaration. Liberty Coalition emerged as an effort to consolidate that wave of opposition and defend the rights of Christians.  "One of our concerns over the past couple years is the apparent power grab by the state to exercise absolute authority over all of life," said Aaron Rock, one of the authors of the petition and pastor at Harvest Bible Church in Windsor, Ont.

As governments began to remove pandemic restrictions, Liberty Coalition Canada shifted its focus to controversies that pit progressive and conservative values against each other on issues ranging from gender and sexuality to racism and the environmentIn recent months, the organization has emphasized its opposition to LGBTQ rights.  It is raising money to support legal action brought by an Ontario high school student who was suspended for organizing a protest against his school's gender-neutral bathroom policy and who has since appeared at several anti-trans demonstrations. During a recent Liberty Coalition podcast episode, for example, a host referred to the LGBTQ "world view" as "satanic" and a "godless death cult." The host, Kingston, Ont., pastor Andrew DeBartolo, said the "rainbow mafia" was seeking to "brainwash children." His co-host, Matthew Hallick, described queerness as "sexual perversion."

Liberty Coalition Canada claims to have helped 110 Christian candidates in municipal and school board elections last year in Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and British Columbia. It says 16 of those 110 candidates were elected in 2022, but this number is difficult to verify because the group did not respond to a request to see a full list of names. Of the candidates who are known to have had Liberty Coalition's support, many campaigned against efforts to deal with systemic racism and opposed teaching students about gender minorities.  CBC News previously revealed Liberty Coalition Canada supplied training in August for several dozen of these candidates. ...

The two-day event in Mississauga, Ont., included a talk by Bridget Ziegler, a conservative education activist from Florida. Ziegler co-founded Moms for Liberty, a lobby group that drove support for state legislation — dubbed by critics as "Don't Say Gay — that bars schools from teaching about sexual orientation and gender identity in younger grades.

The internal Liberty Coalition document obtained by CBC News suggests it is entertaining even grander ambitions for the future. "Over the next few years, I want to systematically manufacture 10,000 new Christian political candidates across Canada," says the document, which was written by Michael Clark, director of advocacy for the Liberty Coalition. Clark also writes that he wants to align Canada's laws with "biblical principles."  The document was available to the roughly 500 participants of a religious conference at Harvest Bible Church in Windsor, Ont., last December.

Unaware he was speaking with a CBC News journalist, an individual at its booth handed over a copy of the document, saying it was "a plan to help Christians infiltrate the political system."
But Rock is open about the goals of the Christian political movement of which he sees himself a member. "We would want to see people elected to office, and installed in the academies of our country, and in our legal system … who aren't ashamed to consult God's eternal laws when it comes to the decisions that they make," he said in a voice memo to CBC News.

Through its podcasts and fundraising efforts, Liberty Coalition Canada appears to be seeking a broader audience for Christian reconstructionism, an austere form of evangelism that seeks inspiration from the Old Testament to guide modern government and culture.

"What you have with the Niagara Declaration … is a form of Christian reconstruction," said André Gagné, a professor of theology at Montreal's Concordia University.

In speeches and podcast appearances, Thiessen, the coalition's founder, often invokes thinkers (Cornelius Van Til) and concepts (theonomy, presuppositionalism) that are central to the reconstructionist movement.
Reconstructionists stand apart from mainstream evangelicals in Canada who have largely accepted the country's religious pluralism and are less interested in pushing biblical values in every corner of society. ...
Experts say reconstructionists, on the other hand, see increasing tolerance for minority rights and other progressive policies as an attack on Christianity that will lead to the decline of Western civilization.
Scholars usually trace the origins of reconstructionism to R.J. Rushdoony, a religious thinker who rose to prominence in the U.S. in the 1970s.

Rushdoony believed that modern societies should be organized around the Ten Commandments. He advocated capital punishment for homosexuality, adultery and abortion. His teachings had a profound influence on the Christian right. He is often credited with convincing other evangelical leaders in the U.S. of the need to oppose legalized abortion, launching the decades-long — and ultimately successful — effort to overturn Roe v. Wade. ...
More recently, reconstructionism in the U.S. is often associated with Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho, and its controversial pastor, Douglas Wilson.Wilson preaches what one scholar has called "extremely muscular Christianity," which champions traditional models of masculinity and calls on believers to build their own parallel society to avoid the evils of modern secular culture. "[In] his most recent writing, Wilson has no qualms about describing his goal as 'theocracy,'" writes Crawford Gribben, a professor at Queen's University Belfast, in his 2021 book Survival and resistance in evangelical America: Christian Reconstruction in the Pacific Northwest. Wilson's ideal society, according to Gribben, would be run along biblical lines: same-sex marriage and abortion would be illegal; men would be in charge and women would be at home with the children. Wilson is also known for having romanticized slavery in his earlier writings and denigrates the LGBTQ community. Last year, he called trans people "mentally ill." His church in Moscow operates its own school system and has extensive publishing and media interests. Its stated goal is to make Moscow "a Christian town," a project that has attracted at least several hundred people to migrate to the area.
Wilson has encouraged Canadian Christians to follow his lead. "Jesus Christ commanded Christians in Canada to have as the direct object of all their missionary endeavours the evangelization and conversion of Canada," Wilson said in 2019. "So the goal is for Canada to become Christian. And, if you know your history, for Canada to become Christian again." Wilson made the comments during an event at the Ezra Institute, a conservative Christian think-tank in Grimsby, Ont. The institute is located in a mansion on a 9.7-hectare gated property, where it hosts regular talks, conferences and training sessions, many of them headed by the institute's founder, Joseph Boot. It also publishes books, a magazine and its own podcast. "The Ezra Institute [and] Joe Boot's own work do represent Christian reconstruction," said Stackhouse, pointing to Boot's PhD studies and published work as evidence. On social media and in his writings, Boot has made a number of anti-LGBTQ statements, including comparing gender-affirming care to "slavery" and claiming that trans athletes are "pretending." As part of the Ezra Institute's activities, it is affiliated with a number of radical Christian thinkers in the U.S., such as Jeff Durbin, an Arizona pastor who believes women should be charged with homicide if they have an abortion, even if that means facing the death penalty.
Another institute fellow, Jeffery Ventrella, works for the Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative Christian legal advocacy organization that is considered an anti-LGBTQ hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
As a registered charity, the Ezra Institute operates mainly through donations. Among its largest donors is a charitable foundation operated by John Hultink, founder of the online book wholesaler Book Depot, based in Thorold, Ont. Since 2014, the Hultink Family Foundation has given the institute close to $6 million, according to Canada Revenue Agency filings.The current CEO of Book Depot, Wilf Wikkerink, sits on the Ezra Institute's board of directors. ... A lawyer representing Hultink later sent a further email to CBC News, saying his client "has never professed or upheld Christian reconstructionism as a theology."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fundamentalist-christian-movement-1.679...

Paladin1

Question for you jerrym. Do you have young children? Like between 10 and 17?

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Paladin1 wrote:

Question for you jerrym. Do you have young children? Like between 10 and 17?

A decade ago I was in this position. My kid's had many gay and at least one trans friend. What I found pleasantly surprising was that they took this as a matter of course and did not give it a second thought. What is the threat to their safety that you are implying?

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Paladin1 wrote:

Question for you jerrym. Do you have young children? Like between 10 and 17?

I'll answer that one too. Yes.

Our youngest was challenged in a school bathroom at age eight because someone didn't like the length of their hair, and assumed they were in the wrong room.

I know exactly what the problem is with these proposals to out kids to their parents (it was tried in Alberta, too). I hear it from my kids' friends, and I know some who have been kicked out for it.

And both of our kids have known gay and trans friends and family since they were babies. They aren't the people whose influence on them I am worried about. They certainly aren't the ones who have caused them any distress.

Bit of a tangent, but a local former principal just got charged with assault with a weapon.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/legacy-christian-academy-princi...

Paladin1

Pogo wrote:
What is the threat to their safety that you are implying?

I was just curious. Kids wanting to be called whatever they want doesn't seem like a big deal to me but I also think there's a discussion to be had regarding parents being involved and informed.

6079_Smith_W wrote:

I'll answer that one too. Yes.

Our youngest was challenged in a school bathroom at age eight because someone didn't like the length of their hair, and assumed they were in the wrong room.

My son gets that all the time because of his hair. He wanted to wear nail polish to school for some reason one day. I warned him that he will get teased and picked on for it and he didn't care so I said I was proud of him and that was it.

My daughter's friend is identifying as a male. When picking my daughter up at her friends place the friend's mom referred to them as female. She doesn't accept that her daughter wants to be a boy, it was pretty sad. My daughter asked if I agree she is a male and I said no I don't, but it doesn't hurt me to respect how they want to be addressed. I wouldn't think it's okay for the school to effectively hide the kids gender expression from their parents.

6079_Smith_W

If a kid has a reason to not tell them, it is probably a good one.

And given that it can sometimes cause harm, how is it the job of the school to rat them out on something that has nothing to do with academic performance or behaviour that poses a threat to other people or themselves?  If we were in another thread that would get held up as an example of government overreach and interference. As it is.

In any case, respecting a student's wishes is policy in most school divisions, for that reason.

Considering all the things teachers are expected to do in our underfunded systems, why would they want to add something that many teachers would find highly objectionable, and a betrayal of trust?

 

jerrym

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Paladin1 wrote:

Question for you jerrym. Do you have young children? Like between 10 and 17?


Paladin I strongly recommend you read CBC's "Inside the fundamentalist Christian movement that wants to remake Canadian politics" (post #12) and their plan to change politics in order to have us live under the laws of the Old Testament.
Here is a small sample of that article. " R.J. Rushdoony, a religious thinker who rose to prominence in the U.S. in the 1970s believed that modern societies should be organized around the Ten Commandments. He advocated capital punishment for homosexuality, adultery and abortion. His teachings had a profound influence on the Christian right. He is often credited with convincing other evangelical leaders in the U.S. of the need to oppose legalized abortion, launching the decades-long — and ultimately successful — effort to overturn Roe v. Wade. ... Wilson has encouraged Canadian Christians to follow his lead. ... Liberty Coalition Canada ... claims to have helped 110 Christian candidates in municipal and school board elections last year in Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and British Columbia. ... The internal Liberty Coalition document obtained by CBC News suggests it is entertaining even grander ambitions for the future. "Over the next few years, I want to systematically manufacture 10,000 new Christian political candidates across Canada," says the document, which was written by Michael Clark, director of advocacy for the Liberty Coalition."

If this seems preposterous, remember it was only a couple of years ago that people thought the fight for LGBTQ2S+ rights had been won. Now its dominating politics in many Republican states. In fact, " At least 417 anti-LGBTQ bills have been introduced in state legislatures across the United States since the start of the year ... 11 states have passed at least one of these laws as of April 4th". (https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/anti-lgbtq-plus-state-bill-right...)
I didn't answer your question about my children because it takes us off topic from the fact that four Conservative leaders (namely the three premiers Higgs, Smith, King, and the Quebec Conservative leader Duhaime) for whom I have provided strong evidence of their indulging in transphobia. In fact, Higgs is now threatening to call an election on the issue after three of his own Conservative cabinet ministers resigned in protest over his weakening Policy 713 that protected children. That is needed because some parents on hearing their child is some form of LGBTQ2S+ will be kicked out of the house or beaten up. They also will have no adult teacher to turn to for advice without the parent finding out, which greatly increases the suicide and suicide ideation rate among such children. "The Trevor Project’s 2022 National Survey on LGBTQ Youth Mental Health found that 45% of LGBTQ youth seriously considered attempting suicide in the past year" (https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-you...) Politicians of any stripe who play this game with LGBTQ2S+ children whether because of their personal beliefs or political gain are trash to me. Higgs , in particular was told by some of his own Conservative cabinet ministers, why the Policy 713 needs to stay in place. Whether his refusal to change his outlook is due to inability to listen to others as some of his resigned cabinet ministers say, or because its his religious belief, or he thinks he can win an election on the issue, the effect on LGBTQ2S+ children is the same.
I will be happy to tell you about my children when you have responded to the evidence that I posted above and not just by saying "Nope. That's trash." as you did on the Pierre Poilevre thread despite the evidence of the connections between the Conservatives and the Freedom Convoy. You then further ignored the detailed evidence that I added to show the connections. So until you respond to both of what I have said, I am just going to assume you are a troll, who is not really interested in actually discussing the issues.

Paladin1

A kid may or may not have a good reason not to tell them.

Kids need their parent's permission to change classes, leave early from class, go on field trips. They need a note when they miss school. It doesn't seem like a crime against humanity to require parents' permission to change their gender and name under a certain age.

As sinister and right-wing extremist Trudeau wants to make parents out to be they have a right to be involved with their child's administration and treatment at school. Schools can provide education, workshops, and other resources to parents.

 

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Considering all the things teachers are expected to do in our underfunded systems, why would they want to add something that many teachers would find highly objectionable, and a betrayal of trust?

On the other hand, that's a good point too. The Betrayal of trust if a student confides in a teacher about any of that. I can see a lot of reasons why it wouldn't be right for a teacher to go out of their way and inform a parent.

So what happens during parent teacher interviews and report cards? Use they/them and never mention the childs given name? Or put the childens prefered name on a report card but refuse to explain why? What happens when the child becomes upset that their birth name is on their report card and demands it removed? Teachers have agreed to call them by their desired name after all.

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Paladin1 wrote:

Kids need their parent's permission to change classes, leave early from class, go on field trips. They need a note when they miss school. It doesn't seem like a crime against humanity to require parents' permission to change their gender and name under a certain age.

I don't know where you live, but neither of our kids needed our permission for any of that stuff in high school, and we live in Alabama north. Are you sure that is the policy where you are?

Of course a kid isn't likely to be thrown out of the house or refused contact with their friends for wanting to change a class. I know kids who have had both happen to them when their parents found out they were hanging out with queer friends.

And plenty worse has happened to some kids when their parents found out stuff they weren't able to handle.

Seriously, bending over backwards for parents who aren''t trusted by their kids means nothing when you consider the other side of this. Keeping kids alive is a bit more important. And giving them a place where they know they can have trust.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-transgender-yout...

Paladin1

6079_Smith_W wrote:

I don't know where you live, but neither of our kids needed our permission for any of that stuff in high school, and we live in Alabama north. Are you sure that is the policy where you are?

You bet. You're saying your 13/14 year old was able to leave their school whenever they wanted, didn't need a note from you or your partner when they missed classes/missed school, and didn't need parents permission to go on field trips?

That's wild. I get a call by 10am if my kids aren't in class and I haven't called the school to let them know. And there are 1100 students.

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Of course a kid isn't likely to be thrown out of the house or refused contact with their friends for wanting to change a class.

You should talk to asian kids about that one, but I get what you're saying. Some parents are real MFers.

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Seriously, bending over backwards for parents who aren''t trusted by their kids means nothing when you consider the other side of this.

Yup. And some kids eat tide pods. Not ever teenager makes great choices.

So what should teachers do about report cards then? 14 year old trans child wants to be called by their new name and not their dead name. Teachers comply and don't inform the parents. Do teachers put the dead name on the report card or the childs chosen name? What do the teachers say to the parents who call and ask whats going on? How do you think those alledged terrible parents are going to react to being kept in the dark?

6079_Smith_W

@ Paladin

No. None of that stuff is required in high school here in Saskatchewan. The robocalls if they don't show up end in grade eight (and you don't really have to respond even then). They can come and go as they please. The only permission form we sign is the one at the beginning of the year to allow their image to appear in public material like the school website.

Are you seriously comparing suicide to eating tide pods? If you are not wanting to not be dismissed as a troll that is not a good strategy. There are plenty of us who know kids who have taken their own lives, and hoped that it would not come to that with our own. It is not a matter for jokes.

And sorry, but that last bit IS concern trolling. If the student doesn't want their parents to know they will decide what is on the report card. And it usually does just involve a name, not pronouns. It isn't complicated, so why are you trying to spin it that way?

And again, it isn't the job of the school to spy on kids for their parents or enforce their values. It is their job to teach (often stuff that some parents might not agree with, like inclusion and evolution). Schools are also busy with other more important stuff like providing them food and counselling. It also isn't going to help teachers do their job to destroy any trust kids might have in them.

jerrym

Here are the fears the changes in New Brunswick's Policy 713 that reduce protections for LGBTQ2S+ school children in the words of a transgender student. 

Alex Harris, a transgender high school student in New Brunswick, said in an interview on Rosemary Barton Live that he is most concerned about the change made to the self-identification clause in the policy.  Harris, who is now over the age of 16, came out before the policy change. At the time, his teachers were able to use his preferred name and pronouns at school and then use his old information when talking to his parents. "It actually made it easier for me to come out to my parents because I knew I had a safe space at school even if that didn't go well," he said. 

When Harris did come out to his parents he said it went well, but he said he knows people who may not have the same experience. He said he has "tons" of friends who came out at school before the changes to Policy 713 and now have to ask their parents for permission to have their teachers use their chosen name or pronouns. "That is terrifying to them because their parents would not be safe to come out to," said Harris.

Part of the change to the self-identification clause in the policy is that if students are fearful or object to informing their parents of their change in preferred name and pronouns, they can work with guidance counsellors or school social workers and psychologists to get to a place where they feel comfortable telling them. 

Harris said this development is "troubling. For most people who are concerned about this policy, it's not that they need to get to a place where they can talk to their parents, it's that their parents aren't at a place where they will be accepting of them being trans," he said. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/new-brunswick-blaine-higgs-policy-713-1...

jerrym

The problem of LGBTQ+2 children ening up homeless because their parents throw them out or because of family members abusing them physically or emotionally is enormous. According to Statscan, LGBTQ+2 makes up 4% of the population, while transgender or non-binary population is 0.24% of the population (https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-627-m/11-627-m2021062-eng.htm) However, "25-40% of homeless youth in Canada identify as LGBTQ2S+ in a population of 150,000 young people experiencing homelessness in Canada (https://www.startmeupniagara.ca/site/blog/2021/06/03/understanding-lgbtq...). Clearly, these statistics show that a large percentage of young LGBTQ2S+ are not only under threat from the general community but from their own families. That's is why initially eight New Brunswick Conservative MLAs, including six cabinet ministers, which is more than 25% of the Conservative caucus, opposed Higgs removing the Policy 713 protections for LGBTQ school children by boycotting the legislature for half a day. It is also why three Conservative cabinet ministers then resigned from cabinet when Higgs would not remove his reduction in LGBTQ2S+ protections for school children. 

Paladin1

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Are you seriously comparing suicide to eating tide pods? If you are not wanting to not be dismissed as a troll that is not a good strategy. There are plenty of us who know kids who have taken their own lives, and hoped that it would not come to that with our own. It is not a matter for jokes.

I'm disagreeing with your "just trust kids" approach. Kids lie and manipulate to get what they want right along with adults. I'm not disagreeing that kids in the LGBT community face unique risks. In many cases I'm sure their concerns and fears are very accurate. Since you mentioned suicide has your kid ever attempted suicide?

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And sorry, but that last bit IS concern trolling. If the student doesn't want their parents to know they will decide what is on the report card. And it usually does just involve a name, not pronouns. It isn't complicated, so why are you trying to spin it that way?


They seem to do things differently out west. In Ontario, at least where I am, kids can't decide what name is on their report card. Same with official transcripts.

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And again, it isn't the job of the school to spy on kids for their parents or enforce their values. It is their job to teach (often stuff that some parents might not agree with, like inclusion and evolution). Schools are also busy with other more important stuff like providing them food and counselling. It also isn't going to help teachers do their job to destroy any trust kids might have in them.

Teachers counseling students need to watch out for role creep. It's also easy for teachers to inject unconscious bias into students when doing this. I'm not arguing teachers should run and be spies for parents.

6079_Smith_W

Paladin1 wrote:
6079_Smith_W wrote:

Are you seriously comparing suicide to eating tide pods? If you are not wanting to not be dismissed as a troll that is not a good strategy. There are plenty of us who know kids who have taken their own lives, and hoped that it would not come to that with our own. It is not a matter for jokes.

I'm disagreeing with your "just trust kids" approach. Kids lie and manipulate to get what they want right along with adults. I'm not disagreeing that kids in the LGBT community face unique risks. In many cases I'm sure their concerns and fears are very accurate. Since you mentioned suicide has your kid ever attempted suicide?

Really?

jerrym

Remember, Paladin that the Progressive Conservative New Brunswick government put Policy 713 in place to protect LGBTQ2S+ children two years ago because they saw the risks those children faced within their own families. That why 8 of their MLAs (more than 25% of the caucus), including six cabinet ministers, boycotted a session of the legislature when Higgs proposed changing the policy, whith 3 of his ministers resigning after the changes were implemented and the others gave in only because of a threat of an election being called. This is hardly the result of some supposedly extreme left movement. In fact, the opposite is happening.
Trans people are the new bogeymen. Its a manufactured crisis coming out of the US. A decade ago it was Muslim terrorists, then it was defunding the police, then it was Critical Race Theory (CRT) invading public schools when not a single elementary or high school taught CRT since it was only taught in university graduate school. But there is always a need for a new bogeyman as people tire of hearing about the old one. With regard to trans girls entering and dominating girl high school competition, the new Republican crisis du jour that will destroy cis-female sports, Democratic Michigan State Senator Mallory McMorrow pointe out how asinine this was by noting that last year 2 (yes that's right two) trans girls applied to compete in female high school competitions out of the ten million people living in Michigan. Meanwhile, the average daily death toll from guns in the US was 124 people per day (https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact.html). For politicians these faux crises are a diversion from dealing with the real problems. Higgs suddenly discovers this issue as his popularity plunges. "An increased majority of New Brunswickers express dissatisfaction with the performance of the provincial government led by PC Premier Blaine Higgs, according to the latest survey by Narrative Research. Two-thirds (65%, up from 56% in February 2023) are currently dissatisfied."(https://narrativeresearch.ca/nb-the-pcs-and-liberals-remain-neck-in-neck...) Another example, is using the anti-LGBTQ2S+ attacks to divert attention from the unfair tax burden in the US, where the average tax on billionaires is 8%, far less than on the middle class, while their profits soared (https://americansfortaxfairness.org/wp-content/uploads/2021-10-18-Billio....). How does this work. Declare the new "OTHER" group threat and use propaganda, which basically constant repetition followed by more repetition of the attack them message, no matter the group. If you have groups, such as extreme fundamentlist Christians or gun advocates who fervently support your point of view, use them in manufacturing the faux crisis to avoid dealing with the true crises such as gun deaths, unfair taxes, climate change etc. This usually spills over into Canada but usually in a milder form because the likely allies for such attacks are not as prevalent as in the US. 

In the US by April, the perceived faux anti-LGBTQ2S+ crisis was so great according to Republicans that " At least 417 anti-LGBTQ bills have been introduced in state legislatures across the United States since the start of the year ... 11 states have passed at least one of these laws as of April 4th". (https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/anti-lgbtq-plus-state-bill-right...)

Of course, this kind of manufactured "OTHER" attack is not victimless, as it leads to violence, murder of the target group and suicide of the "OTHER", especially in their teens years as they struggle with becoming an adult in an environment when they are seen as worthless at best or even evil. "Noble's death shook many in Hamilton's LGBTQ community, even those who didn't know them personally. It came at a moment when the community was feeling particularly vulnerable, Russell said. LGBTQ advocates have been critical of the city's willingness to co-operate with socially conservative Christian organizations while their own organizations have long struggled to secure consistent funding.  Hamilton's LGBTQ community says it is also dealing with an increase in public displays of hate against its members." (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fundamentalist-christian-movement-1.679...)

They are aided by the extreme religious right which is now promoting a plan to greatly increase the number of anti-LGBTQ2S+ politicians in Canada. 

Liberty Coalition Canada, a conservative Christian advocacy group, is trying to raise $1.3 million to recruit hundreds of Christian politicians and campaign staff to run at all levels of government. In a document marked "please keep classified" that was obtained by CBC News, the group says its ultimate goal is "the most powerful political disruption in Canadian history." Working alongside Liberty Coalition Canada are dozens of churches across the country, a number of small media outlets and at least one well-funded think-tank. ...

The internal Liberty Coalition document obtained by CBC News suggests it is entertaining even grander ambitions for the future. "Over the next few years, I want to systematically manufacture 10,000 new Christian political candidates across Canada," says the document, which was written by Michael Clark, director of advocacy for the Liberty Coalition.

Scholars say reconstructionist ideals — often linked to Christian nationalism, the idea that the United States is a Christian country — are influencing how some Canadian evangelicals are responding to issues like legalized abortion, same-sex marriage and added protections for gender minorities.  ...

As governments began to remove pandemic restrictions, Liberty Coalition Canada shifted its focus to controversies that pit progressive and conservative values against each other on issues ranging from gender and sexuality to racism and the environment. In recent months, the organization has emphasized its opposition to LGBTQ rights. ...

Liberty Coalition Canada claims to have helped 110 Christian candidates in municipal and school board elections last year in Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and British Columbia. It says 16 of those 110 candidates were elected in 2022, but this number is difficult to verify because the group did not respond to a request to see a full list of names....

Reconstructionists stand apart from mainstream evangelicals in Canada who have largely accepted the country's religious pluralism and are less interested in pushing biblical values in every corner of society....

Experts say reconstructionists, on the other hand, see increasing tolerance for minority rights and other progressive policies as an attack on Christianity that will lead to the decline of Western civilization....

Scholars usually trace the origins of reconstructionism to R.J. Rushdoony, a religious thinker who rose to prominence in the U.S. in the 1970s. ... His teachings had a profound influence on the Christian right. He is often credited with convincing other evangelical leaders in the U.S. of the need to oppose legalized abortion, launching the decades-long — and ultimately successful — effort to overturn Roe v. Wade. ...

As part of the Canadian Ezra Institute's activities, it is affiliated with a number of radical Christian thinkers in the U.S., such as Jeff Durbin, an Arizona pastor who believes women should be charged with homicide if they have an abortion, even if that means facing the death penalty.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fundamentalist-christian-movement-1.679...

Paladin1

Really really. Mine has, stemming from something the school didn't report. I find with topics like this it's important to understand lived experiences and where people are coming from.

 

jerrym

CBC's the Current today devoted one session of its program to the growing fears of the LGBTQ2S+ community to the attacks on it coming from the US and the extreme right Canadian Christian community. The podcast can be heard at the url below. 
 

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Longtime 2SLGBTQ activist Clare Nobbs has been celebrating Pride month in Toronto for more than three decades — but this year a rise in harmful rhetoric has left her anxious and angry. "I'm angry because our identities are apparently up for debate. There are questions around who we are, and why we should be celebrating," Nobbs told The Current's Matt Galloway. ...
Across Canada, recent months have seen protests against drag queens reading to children, stand-offs round access to gender-affirming care, and public rows about Pride flags. In New Brunswick, Premier Blaine Higgs has lamented a rise in gender diversity as "trendy," and proposed legislation that would bar teachers from using a student's preferred pronouns without parental consent.
In the U.S., hundreds of bills focused on transgender people have been brought forward so far this year, targeting gender-affirming care, participation in sports, bathroom use and education around gender and sexuality. 

Nobbs sees "a rising tide of hate," driven by far-right religious and political figures who've "given permission for all kinds of hateful things to be said and done against people who are different. Six months ago people said, 'Oh, it's mostly in the States, it's in the south.' It is creeping up fast," she said. "There have been people acting in silos, fomenting, gathering strength, and they don't want to see our human rights respected. They don't want to acknowledge that difference."
For Joshua LeClair, a two-spirit Anishinaabe person and Pride organizer near Thunder Bay, pushing back against that kind of rhetoric "comes down to saving lives."

"The consequences [are] someone's child dying, someone's brother or sister dying," he said. 

LeClair is 33 and grew up watching Canada and other countries debate marriage equality. He said that debate made him feel as if large parts of society didn't think he deserved the right to start a happy family of his own.

"At 15, in adolescence and you're hearing that — why stay?" he said. 

In grade 12, LeClair attempted suicide, but survived.  "I'm so glad I failed because there might be somebody questioning right now because the violence and vitriol is present in all of our cities," he said.  "It really makes me angry. I know I have a voice, and I will go speak up for those people who may be experiencing their voice being taken away."
Advocate Fae Johnstone said that Pride should be an opportunity for 2SLGBTQ communities to come together, celebrating progress and acknowledging the work left to do.  "[But] I'm scared this season and I think a lot of folks are too … I'm waiting everyday for a headline of somebody being assaulted," said Johnstone, a trans woman, president of advocacy group Queer Momentum and executive director of consulting firm Wisdom2Action. "It comes at a price for our mental health, both for those of us doing this work in advocacy, but for every gay or trans kid who's seeing those headlines too," she said.
Johnstone said she received death threats earlier this year after being featured in a Hershey's ad campaign for International Women's Day.

She thinks trans people are "being used as tropes to fuel a broader regression on gender and sexual rights writ large. It's part of this growing far-right movement that is jumping from issue to issue to issue to create these wedges," she said.  "Now they've got trans people in the limelight and they're hoping that … [by] rolling back inclusion for us, that opens the opportunity to do this for so many other communities."
For Nobbs, some of the language being used to attack trans communities today reminds her of language used to argue against gay and lesbian equality decades ago.  "It reminds me of before our human rights were recognized," she said, adding that words like "grooming" or "recruiting" try to paint 2SLGBTQ communities as "sexual predators." ...
Johnstone said that language is intended to encourage shame among 2SLGBTQ individuals, but also about mobilizing violence. "It creates a context where your everyday homophobe or transphobe is more likely to throw slurs at queer or trans people when we're walking to the grocery store," she said. "It creates a context where they're emboldened to engage in acts of violence."...
Johnstone said there's a lot to be proud of in Canada, and the current climate should not take away from efforts by older generations to secure rights for 2SLGBTQ communities.  "But that progress is precarious. It is not a guarantee and we cannot rest on our laurels as a country," she told Galloway. 
She worries that governments, as well as straight and cisgender people more broadly, "aren't taking this hate seriously. [I worry that] that they think it's going to go away, or that it's just us complaining about people expressing their opinions," she said.  "But it is a well-oiled hate machine that will cost lives for trans and queer people."


https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/lgtbq-pride-rhetoric-1.688153

6079_Smith_W

Paladin1 wrote:

Really really. Mine has, stemming from something the school didn't report.

I am sorry to hear that.
Given that you understand that, then you should know how out of line it is to be making belittling comparisons on the one hand, and asking pointed personal questions on the other regarding a crisis where kids really are being brutalized and killing themselves.

I don't know what to make of your behaviour in this conversation at all.

Bottom line is no, it is not the job of the school or teachers to betray kids who don't feel it is the time to come out to their parents, for whatever reason. As I said upthread, if there is no indication there is a threat of harm to others or to themselves, it is not the school's business.

And there is no inherent threat in sorting out one's gender and deciding who to share it with.

Paladin1

6079_Smith_W wrote:

I am sorry to hear that.
Given that you understand that, then you should know how out of line it is to be making belittling comparisons on the one hand, and asking pointed personal questions on the other regarding a crisis where kids really are being brutalized and killing themselves.

6079_Smith_W wrote:
I don't know what to make of your behaviour in this conversation at all.

I think the problem stems from the nature Rabble has become. People are quick to assume someone is attacking them, trolling, or not debating in good faith.

When I made the reference to tide pods it was in response to "just trusting kids". Sometimes kids can't be trusted, so it's important to provide oversight and be involved. That's all. Some parents do everything right and their kids still do dumb/bad/sad things. My friend is a model parent that puts me and everyone else I know to shame; she came home and her daughter had a zap strap sinched around her neck (luckily survived).

I'm more inclined to err on you and jerry's side about teachers not needing to inform parents about their kids sexuality. But I also think parents should be made involved, it's hard to find a common ground.

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As I said upthread, if there is no indication there is a threat of harm to others or to themselves, it is not the school's business.

I can get behind that POV.

jerrym

More than half (26 out of 49) the New Brunswick Progressive Conservative riding presidents  have signed letters calling for a leadership review for Premier Blaine Higgs. His changes to the Policy 713 that weakened protections for LGBTQ2S+ elementary and secondary students was the triggering issue that catalyzed this response, although Higgs geneerally autocratic style of running the government and the party was very important in triggering this response. There are constitutional provisions outlined in the article below on whether and how a leadership review would occur. Even if he survives until the next election by avoiding a leadership review or by winning a leadership review, I don't think this augers well for his election chances. While there are MLAs who support his views on LGBTQ2S+ issues, divided parties rarely win elections. 

There are growing calls from within the Progressive Conservative Party of New Brunswick (PCNB) for a review of their own leader.

One regional vice-president said at least 26 of 49 riding association presidents have signed letters calling for a leadership review.

In an interview on Wednesday, John Williston said he believes that number will increase in the coming days.

“This is not a happy time in our party,” said Williston, who is vice president of the Westmorland Albert region.

“We’re in a situation now where about one-third of the provincial caucus is basically in open revolt from the leadership of the premier.”

Eight Tory MLAs sat out of the legislature when controversial changes to Policy 713, the province’s LGBTQ+ policy in schools, were brought forward.

Those changes were the final straw for MLA Dorothy Shephard, who resigned from Premier Blaine Higgs’ cabinet one week later.

“With all due respect, I feel that caucus feels they’re not heard by the premier, and I feel that the riding associations feel that they’re not heard as well,” said Williston.

“That top-down leadership style can only exist for so long in a political movement and I think people are looking for a new style of leadership and a new chapter.”

Under the PCNB constitution, a leadership review can be added to the party’s next provincial council meeting agenda if more than 50 members, including at least 20 riding association members, make a request in writing.

A two-thirds majority vote of the provincial council at that meeting would trigger a leadership review within the next three months — a number Williston believes is “very attainable.”

“My hope is the premier will realize the severity of the situation and, upon review, decide to do the right thing which would be to resign without going through the whole process of a leadership review,” said Williston.

https://www.country94.ca/2023/06/22/pc-riding-association-presidents-cal...

 

jerrym

Higgs is in trouble within the New Brunswick Progressive Conservative because of his anti-LGBTQ changes that triggered 26 of 49 PC riding presidents to write signed letters asking for a leadership review. But it goes deeper than than. He was originally a Liberal who quit the party to become a member of the very right wing provincial Confederation of Regions (COR)Party over bilingualism and ran for its leadership before joining the PCs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaine_Higgs). So he is an outsider inside the PC party who doesn't have the lifetime party allies that is often typical of party leaders and is further to the right than many Maritime PCs. More important Higgs hired Derek Robinson the same month Higgs began his review of Policy 713 on school protections for LGBTQ students.  Robinson was "a key player in western Canadian conservative groups, and is advising the premier through his communications firm MASH Strategy" (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/blaine-higgs-attack-susan-h...). Robinson led the strategy to defeat long-time and sole Liberal Saskatchewan MP by repeatedly linking him to Trudeau in advertising. He brought that strategy to New Brunswick, attacking the Liberal leader, Susan Holt by linking her to Trudeau on the LGBTQ2S+ issue. " On Saturday night, Higgs linked Trudeau's stand on LGBTQ issues to Holt — even though Holt herself is keeping her distance from the prime minister. "Susan Holt & Justin Trudeau don't believe parents need be involved in such critical discussions as gender identity, even in children as young as 4," Higgs said in two tweets posted Saturday night at 6:53 p.m. and again at 9:18 p.m." 

(https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/blaine-higgs-attack-susan-h...)

The problem is what works on in Saskatchewan and Alberta doesn't necessarily work elsewhere, especially when it was the PCs who were the ones who brought in the original Policy 713. Furthermore, it had worked well for two years with only three complaints from parents that Higgs brought forward to argue it needed to change, so it looked like the manufacturing of an issue that had some resonance on the prairies and a lot of resonance for Republicans in the US, but seemed was so far a non-issue in New Brunswick. 

On CBC Newsworld Saschi Kurl of the Angus Reid Institute, a polling firm, warned that American style culture wars played for political gains have largely failed in Canada, but if they do get a large following here, it will be very difficult to ever get them out of our politics. 

Furthermore, culture war policies that look like sure fire winners in one region may be disastrous in another region for a political party. I wonder if Poilievre, unlike Higgs, have figured that out yet.  

 

6079_Smith_W

So they are going to have a fight on their hands - one which they will probably lose once it gets into the courts:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-lgbtq-rights-...

Susie Proulx-Daigle is president of the New Brunswick Union, which represents mental health professionals in schools. She said her members will not be forced to deny a child's chosen name and pronoun, no matter what the minister says.

"We're prepared to file grievances on behalf of our members because we don't want our members to be forced to misgender students," she said. "That's wrong, that's absolutely wrong … It's just not respectful and we feel it's unreasonable."

The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has said the changes "violate the rights and dignity" of LGBTQ youth, and the new policy "is not in the best interests of children and will cause harm to trans and non-binary kids."

Paladin1

 

Parents in the dark over gender-neutral washroom experiment in schools

I'm not sure why they call it an experiment, some schools have been doing this for at least 6 years.

It seems more prudent to have a few gender-neutral washrooms. In any case this will turn into another left wing vs right wing bun fight.

jerrym

Yet another New Brunswick cabinet minister, Trevor Hicks, a thirty year MLA and three Conservative government cabinet minister, has resigned from the Higgs government, triggered by the Higgs changes to the reduction is Policy 713 safety measures for public school LGBTQ children and his authoritarian style.  This is in addition to the 26 of 49 New Brunswick provincial riding presidents who have written signed letters asking for a leadership review over this. 

Another New Brunswick cabinet minister has resigned amid calls for a leadership review of Premier Blaine Higgs. Trevor Holder, who represents the district of Portland-Simonds and was the minister of Post-Secondary Education, Training, and Labour, said in a letter Friday that he needs to "do some significant soul searching after a 24-year legislative career."

"I have served in the Cabinet of 3 separate Premiers. I have always fought for my constituents within a party and caucus structure. My respect for that process has led to better results for my community and my province -- until recently," the letter also said.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/another-nb-cabinet-minister-resigns...

jerrym

Paladin, even many of the Progressive Conservatives in New Brunswick want Higgs to resign after his changes to Policy 713 reducted safety for LGBTQ2S+ elementary and secondary students. His changes to Policy 713 have become the "tipping point" in demands for his resignation. In addition to cabinet minister resignations  and 26 of 49 New Brunswick provincial riding presidents who have written signed letters asking for a leadership review over this, and another four former New Brunswick Conservative riding association presidents are demanding a leadership review. 

Troubles for New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs worsened Friday as Labour Minister Trevor Holder resigned from cabinet, and four past Progressive Conservative party presidents joined the chorus calling on the premier to step down. In other words, if he won't resign they want a leadership review to get rid of him.

In the letter Friday, Holder said Higgs lacks empathy and cannot work collaboratively with caucus members. "Under the leadership of Premier Higgs, caucus has been less about consensus and more about him getting his own way," Holder said in the letter. Holder, whose portfolios also included post-secondary education and training, is the second minister to resign this month citing Higgs’s leadership style. Dorothy Shephard resigned June 15 as social development minister.

Shephard has accused the premier of not trusting his cabinet and criticized him for the decision to change the sexual orientation policy in schools, known as Policy 713. The main change to the policy is that it will no longer be mandatory for teachers to use the preferred pronouns or names of transgender or nonbinary students under the age of 16, starting July 1.

On Thursday, Higgs repeated in a statement that the vast majority of caucus had supported the changes and added "it is extremely unfortunate that all of this gets lost with the strategically planned political drama that is now unfolding."…

Also Friday, a two-page letter from ex-party presidents Claude Williams, Jason Stephen, Lester Young and Brian Harquail, obtained by The Canadian Press, says that despite the premier's achievements there have been significant missteps that stem from Higgs's top-down, authoritarian style of leadership. They say Higgs ignores input from his cabinet, caucus, the party and civil servants.

"The members of the party have never had a say in the direction of the party under his leadership. That is not how democracy works," the four past presidents say in the letter.

"Instead, the premier depends on an echo chamber of confidantes who do not seem to understand the nuances of New Brunswick society and the delicate balance required to govern this province effectively."

Changes made to the province's policy on sexual orientation in schools, they said, was just the tipping point in a long line of disrespect Higgs has shown to the party.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/brunswick-premier-loses-second-cabinet-1613354...

Paladin1

Looks like Higgs party has wanted to oust him for a while. Also looks like he made up stories about parents and other people requesting the reviews and such.

jerrym

Blaine Higgs had to reshuffle his New Brunswick cabinet today, dropping two more ministers in addition to two others who had already resigned over his changes to Policy 713 that protected LGBTQ2S+ students in school. This follows 26 of 49 Conservative riding presidents, as well as four former Conservative riding presidents, wrote signed letters demanding a leadership review over this issue and Higgs my-way-or-the-highway style. Nevertheless, Pierre jumped right into the middle of this by telling Trudeau to stay out of provincial politics, despite his numerous examples of jumping into provincial and local politics, such as saying he would end gatekeepers in other levels of government blocking housing and pipeline construction. Once again Pierre is bringing Alberta/Saskatchewan popular approaches eastward to regions that don't think the same way. He just found out in the byelections last week, that his ultra-right wing approach isn't always accepted favourably everywhere. 

 

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'Let parents raise kids,' he said while speaking on controversial changes to policy on LGBTQ students

 

Pierre Poilievre said the prime minister has no business weighing in on New Brunswick's Policy 713 on LGBTQ students, even as the federal Conservative leader called on Justin Trudeau to let parents raise kids.

The policy was designed to protect LGBTQ students in schools. But earlier this year, New Brunswick's Progressive Conservative government made changes that, in part, will no longer require teachers to use the chosen names and pronouns of transgender or non-binary students under 16 without parental consent (new window).

At a Tuesday event in Moncton critiquing carbon taxation and the cost of living, Poilievre was asked whether he stands with New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs on the changes to Policy 713. He called it provincial policy.

I know that Justin Trudeau has butted into that. The prime minister has no business in decisions that should rest with provinces and parents, he said.

So my message to Justin Trudeau is, 'Butt out and let provinces run schools and let parents raise kids.' ...
The changes on Policy 713 prompted backlash from within Higgs's own cabinet, including numerous resignations by ministers who objected to his leadership style. On Tuesday morning, Higgs shuffled his cabinet to replace two ministers who voted against him on a resolution calling for more consultations on the school gender-identity policy (new window).

Trudeau weighed in on the policy at a Pride event in Toronto about three weeks ago (new window), saying right now, trans kids in New Brunswick are being told they don't have the right to be their true selves, that they need to ask permission.

Trans kids need to feel safe, not targeted by politicians, said Trudeau. We need to stand against this. 

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/1991636/poilievre-tells-trudeau-...

Paladin1

Not exactly conservative based but stories like this are wine for the right wing conspiracy types.

Saskatchewan suspends Planned Parenthood over 'inappropriate' sexual handouts to children

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High schoolers as young as 14 were given a card game that promoted defecating and urinating on one's sexual partner

 

US story that is picking up coverage in Canada.

NYC Drag Marchers Chant “We’re Coming For Your Children”

Trolling right-wingers in style.

 

 

 

6079_Smith_W

jerrym wrote:
Once again Pierre is bringing Alberta/Saskatchewan popular approaches eastward to regions that don't think the same way.

Yeah, there is a lot of that sentiment here (as I expect there is in a lot of provinces).

Thing is, Kenney's government in Alberta was way more mealy-mouthed about it that Higgs or Poilievre. When they replaced the NDP legislation that forbade schools from ratting on kids about joining GSAs they claimed that privacy legislation would continue to protect their rights.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/privacy-laws-will-protect-lgbtq-...

They kind of have to spin it that way, after all they do have two major cities of close to a million, so not everyone is going to fall for that backwards nonsense as is the case in more rural areas.

Saskatchewan hasn't tried it, then again, there is nothing guaranteeing the right to form GSAs either. That became an issue here when Kenney was in opposition and promising to repeal the Notley's amendments to the School Act.
https://leaderpost.com/business/saskatchewan-ndp-calls-for-province-to-i...

So even they didn't officially go as far as Poilievre's vacuous and exploitative "just let parents raise their kids"

Of course he leaves out the fact that in these situations many brutalize, humiliate and isolate them.

... or throw them out into the streets.

6079_Smith_W

Didn't matter though:

Alberta Party Leader Stephen Mandel called Kenney's proposal "abhorrent." He said 40 per cent of kids who live on the streets are from the LGBTQ community.

"And by him making that decision, he threw those kids out the door."

"I think it's terrible. I think he should be ashamed."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ucp-leader-jason-kenney-defends-...

jerrym

ETA: LGBTQ2S+ advocates that New Brunswick's Premier Higgs weakening of Policy 713 protections for LGBTQ2S+ students in elementary and secondary schools could be the beginning of a wave of anti-LGBTQ2S+ measures across Canada. Poilievre has already jumped in to support Higgs. Furthermore, "a conservative Christian group based in B.C. is calling it a test case for its own efforts to roll back school LGBTQ policies."  Jason Kenney passed a bill that rolled back previous protections for children who join Gay-Straight Alliances in schools. Several communities have stopped flying the Pride flag.
During the PEI election, Conservative Premier Dennis King defended his anit-trans comment rather than apologizing after " audio was released of him saying 'you don't gotta drive everything down everybody's throat' when asked about trans issues". King defended his comment by saying ""I think that's just indicative of a conversation that you have from time to time at a door" . Unsurprisingly, CBC has reported a surge in safety concerns for the transgender community in PEI. (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-dennis-king-1.67...)
In early April 2023, Quebec Conservative leader Eric Duhaime launched a petition demanding public funds and institutions such as libraries not be allowed to have drag show hours, thereby imitating the anti-trans invective of the Republican party and continuing his decades long anti-gay, anti-Muslim, racist, and misogynist history. Nearly 20,000 people signed the anti-trans petition in just two days. (https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-conservative-party-leader-launches-dr...)
And last, but certainly far from least, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has an extremely concerning anti-LGBTQ history. (https://xtramagazine.com/power/danielle-smith-new-alberta-premier-237362)
The NHL caved to players who did not want to wear pride colours. A Catholic shcool in Ontario decided not to raise the Pride flag despite student protests against the decision. Some Pride flags across the country have been "burned, damaged or stolen".

Apolicy about LGBTQ students at the heart of a political battle in New Brunswick could have a ripple effect across Canada, according to experts who say they're concerned it could open the door for other provincial governments to make similar changes. New Brunswick's Policy 713, which was introduced in August 2020, outlines minimum requirements for a safe environment for LGBTQ students. Earlier in June, the province's Progressive Conservative government made changes to the policy, scheduled to take effect on July 1. 

If those changes go forward, similar "attacks against the transgender and the non-binary community" could happen elsewhere in Canada, said Kristopher Wells, an associate professor at MacEwan University in Edmonton, and the Canada Research Chair for the Public Understanding of Sexual and Gender Minority Youth. "Once one government makes a change, then it becomes often easier or more popular for other governments to consider those changes as well," he told CBC News. "I think other provinces are obviously watching very closely to see what the potential fallout will be," said Helen Kennedy, the executive director for LGBTQ advocacy group Egale Canada.

New Brunswick's recent changes to the policy mean it's no longer mandatory for teachers to use the preferred pronouns or names of transgender or non-binary students under the age of 16. A teacher or school would need to obtain parental consent for any child who wants to change their name at school. A student who refuses parental involvement would be referred to a school psychologist or social worker to develop a plan to inform the student's parents. Premier Blaine Higgs has said that the changes reflect the government's desire to ensure parents play a role in the "formative years" of their children. Higgs defended the changes again Tuesday during an interview with CBC's Power and Politics, saying he was seeing "a tremendous outpouring of support" for his position. "Nationally, people are saying, 'Why wouldn't parents play a role?'" he said.

The change has caused turmoil in Higgs' cabinet, including two resignations. On Tuesday, he dropped two ministers who had voted against him on the gender-identity policy. Unionized school psychologists and social workers have filed two grievances with the provincial government.

It has also sparked federal debate, with both Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Opposition Leader Pierre Poilievre chiming in. Speaking at a Pride even in Toronto earlier in June, Trudeau spoke out against the changes. "Trans kids need to feel safe, not targeted by politicians. We need to stand against this," he said. On Tuesday, Poilievre told reporters that Trudeau should stay out of it, saying "the prime minister has no business in decisions that should rest with provinces and parents." 

"So my message to Justin Trudeau is, 'Butt out and let provinces run schools and let parents raise kids.' "

The changes have drawn national attention, with the Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA) saying it will cause harm to trans and non-binary kids — not just in New Brunswick, but potentially across Canada.

"Make no mistake that this decision sets a dangerous precedent and that could instigate similar attempts to harm the rights of children across the country," Harini Sivalingam, lawyer and director of the Equality Program at the CCLA, said in a June 9 press release. Meanwhile, a conservative Christian group based in B.C. is calling it a test case for its own efforts to roll back school LGBTQ policies. ... 

LGBTQ rights in Canada are protected under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression are protected in every provincial and territorial Human Rights Act. According to Wells, this means any public institution by law must provide a discrimination-free environment. But that doesn't mean that the rights won through the courts and through government can't be stripped away or taken away," he said.  Wells points to what happened after Jason Kenney was elected premier in Alberta — his United Conservative Party passed a controversial education bill that rolled back previous protections for children who join Gay-Straight Alliances in schools. While politicians can pass legislation or policies that can be seen as discriminatory, these can also be challenged in the courts, Wells said, noting that there are checks and balances in the system.

In New Brunswick, he said, the only recourse the community really has is to either file a human rights complaint or go through the court system. "But the reality is it takes a long time to challenge a government in court to get legislation ruled as being unconstitutional and stricken down," Wells said. "There's nothing stopping a government from passing discriminatory legislation. That's why people need to to be very careful about how they vote."

Egale Canada's Kennedy says she worries the changes to Policy 713 are just the beginning "Do I see a political trend here to scapegoat members of the 2SLGBTQI community? Absolutely," Kennedy said. "We forget that there are human beings attached to the other end of all these political opportunist actions." It's a hostile environment right now for the LGBTQ community, she said, noting the recent targeting of Pride flags as just one example.

Several communities across Canada, including Norwich, Ont., and Hope, B.C., have recently decided not to fly Pride flags. There have also been reports this year of flags in various provinces being stolendamaged and burned

Earlier this month, students in Vaughan, Ont., walked out over the York Catholic District School Board's decision not to raise a Pride flag at its education centre.

As far as Policy 713 is concerned, Kennedy says other provinces are likely looking at both the political response — will an election be called? Will Higgs fall? — and the community response, such as parental pushback. And while she says it's been encouraging to see some opposition, she also says the damage has been done. "It's out there. We all know how [Higgs] feels about members of the 2SLGBTQI communities, and it's disturbing," she said.

"Every child, every student, has a right to a safe and inclusive education."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/as-new-brunswick-changes-its-lgbtq...

jerrym

The Conservative Party's endorsement of the Freedom Convoy, especially by current leader Pierre Poilievre, former leader Andrew Scheer, interim leader Candice Bergen, and leadership candidate Leslyn Lewis, has helped create an atmosphere where anti-LGBTQ verbal attacks are more common and acceptable, since so many leaders of the convoy are anti-LGBTQ. The following article describes the Freedom Convoys connections to anti-LGBTQ groups. 

Although participants of the so-called “Freedom Convoy” that descended upon Ottawa  claimed it was a peaceful protest against COVID-19 restrictions, it was primarily organized by far-right activists. Many of the key organizers have also been linked to anti-LGBTQ2S+ activist groups and have expressed homophobic and transphobic views themselves. ...

Here’s a breakdown of some of the key convoy members and their links to anti-LGBTQ2S+ hate.

Tamara Lich was one of the organizers of the original “Freedom Convoy 2022” GoFundMe, which raised $10 million. .. The Maverick Party has opposed teaching LGBTQ2S+ topics in school sex ed courses, and its official platform does not include support for equal marriage. Lich was an original member of the Maverick Party’s governing council. ... Lich also has organized rallies for the Alberta contingent of the Yellow Vest movement, a populist protest group that sprang up in 2019 with chapters across Canada. While not explicitly anti-LGBTQ2S+, Yellow Vest was involved in a violent encounter at Pride Hamilton in Ontario in 2019. Several people were reportedly injured in the confrontation. Lich was arrested in Ottawa.

Pat King is a prominent player in the convoy and also has a storied history of associating with far-right groups. King was so notoriousfor his extremist views that other convoy organizers “tried to put some distance” between them, according to the Canadian Anti-Hate Network. Like Lich, King was also prominently involved in the Yellow Vest movementIn a 2019 video, King explains the Grand Replacement conspiracy theory, a white supremacist myth that claims LGBTQ2S+ people and Muslims are involved in a plot to, as he describes, “infiltrate the education systems to manipulate it to endorse less procreation. The less procreation, the less white people,” King said at the time. More recently, King appeared on a talk-show hosted by evangelical Christian broadcaster and failed political candidate Laura-Lynn Tyler Thompson. Tyler Thompson has vehemently opposed LGBTQ2S+ sex ed in schools as far back as 2017 and has claimed that “parents are highly alarmed and very upset that children are being taught gender-fluid ideology.” King was arrested in Ottawa

James Bauder As PressProgress reports, the “Freedom Convoy” was originally organized by James Bauder through his group, Canada Unity. Bauder has openly endorsed QAnon, a right-wing anti-Semitic, homophobic and transphobic conspiracy theory.  One of the “participating groups” within Canada Unity is Action4Canada, which was founded in 2019 and has repeatedly attacked what it calls “political LGBTQ” activism. The group has protested against a Drag Queen Story Hour in Kelowna, British Columbia, and supported anti-LGBTQ2S+ activist Bill Whatcott, according to a 2021 report from the Canadian Anti-Hate Network.

Martin Brodmann is the vice-president of Bauder’s Canada Unityand is reportedly the president of Truckers United, Inc. Like Pat King, he has also appeared on Laura Lynn Tyler Thompson’s talk show.  Brodmann was also a guest on a show hosted by Odessa Orlewicz on the social media platform Librti, which primarily hosts right-wing conspiracy theory content. Orlewicz has posted anti-LGBTQ2S+ content on her Facebook page, including equating puberty blockers to “genital mutilation” and calling for separate “trans sports” categories for trans athletes. 

Jason LeFace  One of the convoy’s lead organizers, Jason LeFace, is connected to the Sudbury, Ontario, chapter of the Soldiers of Odin (SOO) hate group. LeFace is reportedly a vice-president of the group, which organizes events to “try to stop immigration, people who are BIPOC or people who are in LGBTQ communities,” according to Global News.  LeFace apparently disbanded the Sudbury SOO group after being called out by local anti-racism activists in October 2020. He ran as the People’s Party of Canada’s (PPC) candidate in Sudbury in 2019. In 2021, the PPC’s election platform included a promise to “fight radical gender ideology.” 

Chris Barber is a protest organizer from Saskatchewan. ... Barber has posted or shared anti-LGBTQ2S+ content on his Facebook and TikTok, according to a Feb. 3 tweet from investigative reporter Justin Ling. A post from January reads: “If you can pretend that a boy is a girl. Or a girl is a boy, Then you can pretend I got the shot. [sic]” Barber was arrested in Ottawa.

Tyson “Freedom George” Billings is a far-right activist who mobilized a large online following to support the convoy. On his Facebook, Billings shared a post that stated, “For real, the Federal Government of Canada allowed you to make up your gender on the last official census,” referring to the Canadian government’s attempt at non-binary inclusion in the 2021 census. His Facebook page, Freedom Forusall, has also hosted livestreams alongside other anti-LGBTQ2S+ organizers like Pat King. Billings was arrested in Ottawa.

Les Michaelson  During the Ottawa occupation, protesters used the Zello voice chat platform to organize themselves and plan actions. Les Michaelson is the sole moderator of the convoy’s organizational voice channel on Zello. Like Pat King and Tamara Lich, Michaelson was also a Yellow Vest organizer.  Michaelson was involved in a violent incident in March 2019 when he was spotted in an Islamophobic and anti-immigrant protest in Edmonton alongside known hate groups such as Soldiers of Odin and Northern Guard. The Canadian Anti-Hate Network describe Northern Guard as a “biker-style anti-Muslim group” who consider LGBTQ2S+ people to be pedophiles and predators.  Edmonton Against Fascism, an anti-fascist activist group in Alberta, also notes that Michaelson has previously shown up to record kids at Gender and Sexualities Alliance meetings in an attempt to harass or forcibly out them. 

Tom Quiggin is a former intelligence analyst. ... Quiggin authored a report in 2014 claiming the Muslim Brotherhood was attempting to take over Canadian society, using language that closely mirrors the anti-LGBTQ2S+ Great Replacement conspiracy theory.  Quiggin’s social media contains anti-LGBTQ2S+ posts, including one stating that allowing trans kids to transition without parental consent means “they are out to get your children” and another mocking gender nonconforming fashion. (He does not explain in the former post who “they” are.)

Daniel Bulford is a former Royal Canadian Mounted Police officerwho resigned from the force after refusing to be vaccinated. ... In October 2021, Bulford appeared on The Counter Signal, a podcast run by ex-Rebel News writer Keean Bexte. Rebel News is a far-right Canadian media outlet known to be anti-Muslimanti-vaccine and anti-LGBTQ2S+. In the past, Bexte has repeatedly deadnamed a trans womansupported comparisons between the Pride flag and swastikas and mocked protests of Chick-fil-A’s anti-LGBTQ2S+ views.

https://xtramagazine.com/power/anti-lgbtq2s-hate-ottawa-truck-convoy-219239

jerrym

In an atmosphere where American news and Canadian Conservative leaders make anti-LGBTQ comments, endorse hate groups associated with anti-LGBTQ issues, and weaken legal protections for LGBTQ Canadians, it is not surprising that anti-LGBTQ violence is on the rise in Canada. "Pride organizations across the country have been grappling with more threats, while anti-LGBTQ protesters have come out in force to oppose events held by the community year-round, such as child-friendly drag performances. It’s put security top of mind for Pride organizers — in some cases, for the very first time." (https://globalnews.ca/news/9788539/canada-pride-lgbtq2-security-online-t...)
Therefore it is not surprising that yesterday three people connected to the LGBTQ community were stabbed at the University of Waterloo in a gender-studies class exploring gender identity.

A 24-year-old former international student has been charged in the stabbings Wednesday in a University of Waterloo, Ont., classroom in what police believe was a hate-motivated incident targeting a gender-studies class.

Mark Crowell, chief of the Waterloo Regional Police Service, told a media briefing Thursday the "planned and targeted attack" was a "senseless act of hate." Police said they're still investigating the incident, which sent three people to hospital, inside Hagey Hall. In the meantime, they've charged Geovanny Villalba-Aleman. Crowell said the accused has no criminal record.

According to police, "this was a hate-motivated incident related to gender expression and gender identity." "It's sad and disturbing that this incident happened during Pride Month," Crowell told the media briefing, adding he hopes it encourages the community to "all come together."

The accused, a recent graduate, has been charged with:

  • Aggravated assault (three counts).
  • Assault with a weapon (four counts). 
  • Possession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose (two counts).
  • Mischief under $5,000.

Some 40 students were inside the classroom during the stabbings. A 38-year-old female teacher from Kitchener and two students — a 20-year-old female and a 19-year-old male, both from Waterloo — were taken to hospital with serious but non-life-threatening injuries. In a tweet, University of Waterloo president Vivek Goel identified the teacher as Katy Fulfer. On the university website,  Fulfer is listed as an associate professor in the department of philosophy, and a gender and social justice undergraduate adviser. A note added to her staff profile page in the philosophy department reads, "We are horrified, saddened and outraged by the attack on our campus community yesterday, in which a professor and two students were stabbed during a Gender Issues class." 

Crowell said a man who was not a member of the class entered around 3:30 p.m. ET and spoke with the professor "before attacking her with two large knives without provocation." Some people in the class tried to stop what was happening, while others fled the room, he said. While students were attempting to escape, two students were stabbed and there was an attempt to stab a third student, who was not injured, Crowell said. ...

'Uptick in events' targeting LGBTQ community 

Crowell spoke to reporters about a "small uptick in events" recently targeting the LGBTQ community in Waterloo region.

Cait Glasson, an LGBTQ activist in the Kitchener-Waterloo region, said people in the community are reporting more cases of harassment and "being bothered on the street, and things like that." She said students should feel safe to "talk about the issues that need to be talked about" without the fear of being controlled by violence. Glasson said there are misconceptions and misinformation circulating about transgender people, such as children "getting puberty blockers like candy and surgeries all over the place," which leads people to believe untrue statements. ...

Aimée Morrison, an associate professor of English at the University of Waterloo, said "It's very difficult to imagine going into a classroom and teaching some of these more difficult topics, or topics that the people outside of the classroom find controversial or dangerous, or that must be stopped," Morrison said. "And to me, that is going to be the continuing tragedy of this."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/emergency-alert-univer...

jerrym

As Isabel Wilkerson said in her best-selling book, Caste, that examined caste in the US, India and Nazi Germany and that also applies to the LGBTQ2S+ community:

Dehumanization is a standard component in the manufacture of an out-group against which to pitch an in-group, and it is a monumental task. It is a war against truth, against what the eye can see and what the heart could feel if allowed to do so on its own. To dehumanize another human being is not merely to declare someone is not human, and it does not happen by accident. It is a process, a programming. It takes energy and reinforcement to deny what is self-evident in another member of one's species. (P141, Caste)

Comments from the extreme right and some Conservatives have contributed to an atmosphere where increased violence against LGBTQ2S+ people seems more permissible.

In Quebec Conservative Party leader Eric  "Duhaime launched a petition demanding public funds not be used to promote drag queen story hours, and that parents must first give specific consent. Nearly 20,000 people signed the document in just two days. ...Trans activist Celeste Trianon, who is also the executive director of the Trans Legal Collective, said the radicalization against trans people and drag queens has led to violence and that she fears Duhaime's actions will lead to new forms of intolerance. "Trans people are scared now because even if they have rights now, they're very volatile, and can easily be stolen away," Trianon said. (https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-conservative-party-leader-launches-dr...)

In Prince Edward Island,  Conservative Premier Dennis King defended his anit-trans comment rather than apologizing after " audio was released of him saying 'you don't gotta drive everything down everybody's throat' when asked about trans issues". King defended his comment by saying "I think that's just indicative of a conversation that you have from time to time at a door" . (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-dennis-king-1.67...) Following King's comments "The P.E.I. Transgender Network held a rally for trans rights on April 2nd ... in reaction to "ongoing and increased public displays of transphobia/anti-trans movements occurring across P.E.I." 

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has an extremely concerning anti-LGBTQ history. Danielle Smith, who was elected to lead Alberta’s United Conservative Party on October 6, was embroiled in controversy in 2012 after the anti-LGBTQ2S+ blog of a fellow candidate for the Wildrose Party re-emerged during the provincial election. ... Smith refused to apologize for the remarks and did not remove his nomination as a candidate. “I think it’s important for us to have the conversation, about religious freedom and freedom of speech, and equality rights, because I think this is really what this comes down to,” she told CBC News at the time.... In her return to the spotlight, Smith ran in a bid to replace resigning Premier Jason Kenney ... pitching a proposal that would allow Alberta to bypass federal regulation, , the “Sovereignty Act, could also result in an attempt by Alberta to disregard federally regulated LGBTQ2S+ rights, such the federal ban on conversion therapy passed last year. Advocates expressed concern to Xtra about the impact of Thursday’s elections on Alberta’s LGBTQ2S+ population. (https://xtramagazine.com/power/danielle-smith-new-alberta-premier-237362)

Pondering

The aggressive promotion of trans ideology and promotion of alternative lifestyles to children is behind the backlash. Why are drag queens going to schools and libraries? Drag has always been an adult entertainment with strong sexual overtones that can reasonably be described as woman-face. They are an exagerated caricature of women from the male perspective. They are wearing "woman" as a dehumanizing cartoon character and trying to normalize it. 

I also reject a regular nun's story hour in libraries and visits from religious groups to schools teaching their ideology. 

Leave them kids alone. 

jerrym

Pondering wrote:

The aggressive promotion of trans ideology and promotion of alternative lifestyles to children is behind the backlash. Why are drag queens going to schools and libraries? Drag has always been an adult entertainment with strong sexual overtones that can reasonably be described as woman-face. They are an exagerated caricature of women from the male perspective. They are wearing "woman" as a dehumanizing cartoon character and trying to normalize it. 

I also reject a regular nun's story hour in libraries and visits from religious groups to schools teaching their ideology. 

Leave them kids alone. 

I find what you are writing dehumanizing of the LGBTQ2S+ community, and especially so the day after three people were stabbed at the University of Waterloo in a gender identity and studies class.

Paladin1

Pondering wrote:

The aggressive promotion of trans ideology and promotion of alternative lifestyles to children is behind the backlash. Why are drag queens going to schools and libraries?


It looks like drag queens reading to kids has been a thing for a while? It seems weird to me personally and I wouldn't bring my kids to a reading, but if they wanted to go I wouldn't make a fuss around it. I can imagine it's being ramped up as a fuck you in response to people having an issue with it.

I agree about the strong sexual overtones. Pride seems increasingly sexualized to me. I'd get banned for posting it but I have a video of a drag queen at Pride walking up the street with some kind of air-pump-activated dildo or sexual appendage hanging out of their ensemble. It then sprays liquid all over the place. Kids can be seen in the crowd.

Not to make an appeal to numbers but I have a handful of LGBTQ friends and peers. They're all "Anti Pride". The feedback from the LGBTQ community in some of the Positive Space classes I instruct say the same.

Writ large the Liberal gun control wdge issue fell flat on it's face. Scaring people about the Conservatives banning abortions doesn't seem to be fairing too well either. This is turning out to be an excellent wedge issue.

Pondering

jerrym wrote:
Pondering wrote:
<p>The aggressive promotion of trans ideology and promotion of alternative lifestyles to children is behind the backlash. Why are drag queens going to schools and libraries? Drag has always been an adult entertainment with strong sexual overtones that can reasonably be described as woman-face. They are an exagerated&nbsp;caricature of women from the male perspective. They are wearing "woman" as a dehumanizing cartoon character and trying to normalize it.&nbsp;</p>

<p>I also reject a regular nun's story hour in libraries and visits from religious groups to schools teaching their ideology.&nbsp;</p>

<p>Leave them kids alone.&nbsp;</p>

I find what you are writing dehumanizing of the LGBTQ2S+ community, and especially so the day after three people were stabbed at the University of Waterloo in a gender identity and studies class.

John Hopkin's University just defined lesbians as non-men attracted to non-men (since withdrawn for "review" without apology).  The definition for gay did not change to non-women attracted to non-women.  Trans ideology is dehumanizing to women. We are becoming menstruators and birthers yet no one is calling men impregnators or sperm dispensers. No one insists we start recommending that people are checked for prostate cancer because women can get it too. 

As a woman I find that dehumanizing. Women have fought for our rights for centuries now men are claiming the right to define us as a mental state and to declare themselves women therefore entitled to the rights of women which are based on our biological characteristics not our mental state. 

The LBG community is beginning to reject trans ideology because gay and lesbian children are being persuaded by trans indeology to consider changing their sex to match their gender expression through hormones and plastic surgery. 

Transitioning children, including just socially, is conversion therapy. Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder not a sexual orientation. The grand majority of children with gender dysphoria grow out of it and many grow up to be gay/lesbian.  Children who have been abused and children with autism are over-represented. These are huge red flags. It is only over the last decade+ that transitioning children has become the first line of treatment for children with gender dysphoria. During the same time frame the gender unicorn has been widely distributed in schools under the guise of tolerance. 

The physical and mental safety of children is being threatened by extreme gender ideology. That does not justify violence but it fuels it. 

https://genderreport.ca/shocking-lawsuit-in-canada-by-detransitioner-against-medical-providers/

Michelle was prescribed hormones, and later underwent a double mastectomy and had her uterus removed. The reckless nature of gender affirmation care is revealed by Michelle’s case because these medical interventions were offered based on her own self-identification as transgender without any attempt by any of the 8 defendants to explore whether the irreversible effects of hormones and surgeries would really be in her long-term best interests. No alternatives to medical transition were offered to her in order to help her relieve some of the distress that she felt at the time.

 

Gender affirmation is medical malpractice because it is lying to patients. Sometimes transition or conversion is the best course of treatment for an adult with gender dysphoria that persists into adulthood but that does not mean they are actually the opposite sex or that there was ever anything wrong with their body.

Teachers, without the knowledge of parents, and doctors are experimenting with the mental and physical health of children based on gender theory. Expect a massive backlash over the next decade.

This is an issue that will send voters to the Conservatives if that is the only way to protect children.

6079_Smith_W

Interesting (and kind of infuriating) what you find when you dig into hate propaganda - in this case claims of people "pushing transgenderism", and pointing at detransitioning as a way of undermining identity.

Turns out the number of those who detransition is very low - less than three percent, and for most it is only temporary.

Even more telling is a U.S. study (where the detransition rate is about eight percent).

"Rates of detransition were higher in transgender women (11%) than transgender men (4%). The most common reasons cited were pressure from a parent (36%), transitioning was too hard (33%), too much harassment or discrimination (31%), and trouble getting a job (29%)."

So... the pressure of transphobic discrimination and being denied work. I might question being out too if I couldn't walk into a public toilet without wondering if I was going to get harrassed. And the report also cites the lack of resources.

Nothing in there about the decision to transition being the wrong one for the person, which is what the haters would have us believe.

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/107/10/e4261/6604653?login=false&f...

https://medium.com/@lexi.m.henny/how-common-is-detransition-a-review-of-...

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