Captive Canada: The Canada Syndrome, a Captivating Mass Psychosis

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Captive Canada: The Canada Syndrome, a Captivating Mass Psychosis

"The Canada Syndrome" is the "Stockholm Syndrome" on cultural steroids.  This intro article to Captive Canada (Press for Conversion Spring 2016) argues that for state crimes to succeed, well-meaning people must not only turn a blind eye and stand by with folded arms, they must roll up their sleeves to help organise, administer, justify and cover up these crimes.  Once rendered hostage by official narratives, and convinced they are helping others, progressives become instrumental in leading society to carry out imperial programs.  "The Canada Syndrome" is akin to cultural pathologies that have evolved to hold whole societies captive in other settler states, like the US, Australia, South Africa & Israel.

Many progressives, enslaved by self-righteous national mythologies of peace and multiculturalism, and captivated heart and mind by official narratives of exceptionalism, are thus primed to become complicit in imperial crimes at home and abroad.  Nowadays, many large peace, development and human rights "NGOs," and all of Canada's parliamentary parties, are supporting the UN's "Responsibility to Protect" doctrine which camoflages imperial wars with pretexts designed to disguise them as humanitarian peace operations. 

Captive Canada:
Renditions of the Peaceable Kingdom at War,

from Narratives of WWI and the Red Scare to the Mass Internment of Civilians
Issue #68 of Press for Conversion (Spring 2016), pp.2-4. Published by the Coalition to Oppose the Arms Trade (COAT).

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Cover of press for Conversion (Issue#68)The Canada Syndrome, a Captivating Mass Psychosis
By Richard Sanders, Coordinator, Coalition to Oppose the Arms Trade (COAT)

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”1

Although appealing as a rhetorical call to action, this well-known aphorism on acquiescence hides the more disturbing reality that “good” people are sometimes very directly involved in actually helping to carry out atrocious travesties of justice.  In fact, institutionalised programs of systemic violence, abuse and exploitation cannot succeed without the active support and complicity of sincere, well-meaning people.

Huge institutions filled with “good” people are essential in the planning and administration of major crimes against peace and humanity.  With the best of intentions, such people also create and propagate the most eloquent narratives to justify, promote and cover up criminal transgressions. Canada is not exempt from this pattern. The history of our so-called “Peaceable Kingdom,” from its very roots, is replete with grave injustices wrought by fervent believers who thought they were doing the right thing.  Driven by a profound desire to promote progress, all-too-many Canadians have collaborated in such offences as occupation, ethnic cleansing, land plunder, genocide, chattel slavery, internment camps, weapons exports and a slew of wars fed by corporate greed. 

Despite this ongoing imperial tradition, Canadians are still ready to embrace an extremely flattering and self-righteous national mythology. Canada’s official story portrays this country as a shining beacon spreading its enlightened code of ethics and benevolent ideals throughout a dark and troubled world. Sadly, this self-satisfied myth of exceptionalism is utter moonshine; an intoxicating swill of political hogwash that has been lapped up as the gospel truth by generations of citizens on the right, left and centre.  Now marketed under the heart-warming brand “Canadian values,” this cultural koolaid is regularly dispensed by our national cult makers.  Although Canada’s soothing elixir is a strange brew laced with hypocrisy, duplicity, artificial maple flavour and patriotic Red Dye, it’s main ingredients are commonly listed as peace, multiculturalism, human rights and democracy. 

The fanciful idea that Canada symbolises these worthy ideals did not arise out of thin air. Throughout the nation-building project that spawned this country, the heartfelt conviction of Canada’s dominant, west-European settler society was that the pioneers who forged this blessed kingdom were on the imperial frontline, promoting morally-superiour “Christian values.” This proud Canadian identity myth—proclaimed with missionary zeal and hubris by progressives and conservatives alike—has repeatedly gone beyond enthused ethnocentrism to push the limits of racism, xenophobia, religious elitism and political paranoia.

The guardians and gatekeepers of Canada’s official fairy tales have vilified and targeted certain people as the enemies of progress. Aboriginals, nonAngloSaxons and those feared as the potential recruits of radicalised socialists have been scapegoated, bullied, outlawed and forced into mass captivity on reserves, or interned in prisons and labour camps. Their supposed crimes have included threatening the status quo by standing up for justice, equality, peace and labour rights, and spreading counternarratives that oppose the accepted biases of mainstream culture. Ironically, the most powerful proponents of our national myths—while posing as champions of the deified mantra of “Canadian values”—are our main obstacle to achieving these noble ideals.

Colonial Occupation Psychosis

The pattern of social stereotyping upon which Canadian identity myths are founded, is not unique. Other nations built on colonial expansion and occupation have developed similar mass delusions.  Canada’s version of this imperial psychosis shares symptoms with the cultural pathologies that evolved in the US, Australia, South Africa, Israel and elsewhere.  These settler societies were leavened with a profound sense of entitlement and superiourity—religious, ethnic, economic and political. To carry on, such cultures have required convincing narratives to rationalise the seizure of indigenous peoples’ lands, the curbing of their rights, and the restriction of their movements to the point of mass captivity.

Settler syndrome is a culture-bound psychosis so deeply rooted in Canada’s mainstream identity, that it remains difficult to remedy. Like psychoses found in individuals, diffuse social disorders are marked by a loss of contact with reality.  Being irrational, such belief systems are highly resistant to reason and fact. For example, the narratives used to bolster Canadian exceptionalism, gloss over or deny responsibility for genocide and are out of touch with historic and present-day realities of abuse. 

The Canada Syndrome also includes fantasies that parallel the delusions of grandeur found among megalomaniacs. Individuals who overestimate their power and selfworth have grandiose beliefs, often involving spiritual themes.  Mass pathologies may similarly be marked by social complexes that rely on exaggerated tales of racial, national and/or religious superiourity.

Cultures that overvalue themselves, typically devalue others, treating them with suspicion and fear. Like other settler states, Canada has endured prolonged episodes of mass paranoia that were deeply rooted in racism and classism. These social outbreaks of political and religious xenophobia have been driven by deluded, self-righteous missions that cloaked abusive behaviour behind lofty-sounding pretexts, like the protection of Canada’s civilised, Christian culture. Such collective obsessions are spread with fearmongering narratives that can reach fruition in pandemics of mass hysteria, moral panic and war fever. In Canada, settler psychosis painted First Nations, nonWestern Europeans, and radical leftists as foes to be contained, physically and otherwise. 

The Canada Syndrome is a cultural malady that closely parallels what psychiatrists have labelled “Antisocial Personality Disorder.”  The American Psychiatric Association (APA) has described this mental illness as “a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others...as indicated” by such antisocial behaviours as “deceitfulness,...repeated lying,...or conning others for personal profit,” “aggressiveness” and “lack of remorse” and “being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen” from others.2  Health Canada’s official Report on Mental Illnesses in Canada relies on this US definition.3

Besides relying on the APA, the Canadian Psychiatric Association also uses the World Health Organization (WHO) as a reference for pidgeonholing mental illnesses. Both sources define psychiatric disorders as being outside the boundaries of accepted “social norms.” For example, the WHO defines “Dissocial Personality Disorder” in terms of a “gross disparity” between the individual’s “behaviour and the prevailing social norms.”4  Similarly, the APA’s criteria for “Antisocial Personality Disorder” includes “failure to conform to social norms.” This focus fails to recognise psychopathic individuals whose delusions and behaviour do conform to the broadly-accepted norms of society at large. 

When Social Norms are AntiSocial

Forty five years ago, a group of Black psychiatrists asked the APA to recognise “extreme bigotry...as a mental disorder.” APA officials rejected the idea, says Harvard psychiatrist Alvin Poussaint, “because so many Americans are racist, even extreme racism in this country is normative—a cultural problem rather than an indication of psychopathology.” Poussaint has continued to argue that the APA should “designate extreme racism as a mental health problem by recognizing it as a delusional psychotic symptom.”5  Racism, like other forms of chauvinism, is a delusion that is symptomatic of both individual and mass psychosis. Neither form of pathology should be accepted or rationalised away.

Just as those with antisocial disorders justify their abusive behaviour, captive institutions also create narratives to cover their crimes. Predatory, state bodies survive by disguising structural violence behind stories that legitimise their malevolent programs as if they were beneficial to victims. This process rewards those who are able to create and disseminate progressive-sounding narratives that will soothe society’s collective conscience.

While individuals seized by psychosis may remain completely unaware of their illness, those spellbound by a mass psychosis find it as impossible to perceive as their own accent or ethnicity. Captives of Canada’s settler syndrome may become unsettled if the sweet rhetoric of their myths clashes with bitter reality. To retain a sense of normalcy within a fictive state founded on blissful ignorance, many Canadians cling to the national faith with poetic folktales about our wondrous “Peaceable Kingdom.” 

When poet Samuel Taylor Coleridge coined the phrase “willing suspension of disbelief” in 1817, he was describing literary devices that use mundane, natural, real-world imagery to create a “semblance of truth” in order to instill “poetic faith” in an imaginary world.6 People willingly accept unreal premises of imagination so that they can be carried away by their momentary indulgence in an artform. But what of citizens who suspend their disbelief for prolonged periods by putting blind faith in state narratives?  Consumers of such political artifice are like unwitting subjects trapped in a lifelong, nationwide PR experiment without having given prior or informed consent.  Suspending disbelief in order to enjoy a contrivance, also exists in law.  “Legal fictions” are lies that are accepted as truth in order to gain some benefit.  A key example of this is “terra nullius” (“empty land”), which has long been used to justify the seizure and occupation of Aboriginal territories by Canada, the US, Australia and other settler states.

Captives of culture-bound psychoses like the Canada Syndrome are ardent nationalists who remain blind to the official myths that have abducted them. This parallels a psychological phenomenon in which kidnap victims adopt favourable attitudes toward their captors and promote their interests and narratives.  The Canada Syndrome is the Stockholm Syndrome on steroids.

The term Stockholm Syndrome was coined by a Swedish, police psychologist when hostages identified with their captors during a 1973 bank heist. A few months later, this made-to-order syndrome, now called capture bonding, made headlines with the kidnapping of American media heiress Patty Hearst. After conspiring with her captors in various felonies—including armed robbery, bomb making, hijacking, assault and kidnapping—Hearst was arrested and put on trial.  Saying she had been brainwashed, Hearst’s lawyer used the Stockholm Syndrome as a defence. Thanks to President Carter, Hearst served only two of her seven-year jail sentence.  She was later pardoned by President Clinton.

Hearst’s grandfather, William Randolf Hearst, was a corporate tycoon and a Democratic Congressman for New York. As the “Father of Yellow Journalism,” and the hegemon of a newspaper empire, he fabricated vast webs of deceit to perpetuate mass psychoses like the “war fever” that fuelled the highly-profitable Spanish-American war of 1898. The Hearst-family story reminds us that while individuals may at times be kidnapped by the narratives of their hostage takers, masses of people are captured heart and mind every day by the crime-promoting myths of news companies owned by “law-abiding,” billionaire media moguls.

Although carefully-crafted narratives are key to seizing the public mind, one should not imagine that everyone who creates and spreads these poetic myths are necessarily intent on deception. Propagandists are often captivated by the narratives that they are diffusing.  In fact, the most eloquent and convincing champions of farfetched narratives are those true believers who blindly see their enslaving delusions as if they were liberating ideas that must be spread far and wide in order to make others free.

Renditions:  From Extraordinary to Banal

In studying the captivating power of myths, we inevitably invoke different meanings of the word “rendition.”  Narrative renditions of history capture and organise diverse versions of past events.  They can also seize and express feelings of identity based on cultural constructs like race, ethnicity, nationality and ideology.  “Rendition” also refers to the act of taking prisoners, including covert abductions that spirit away alleged enemies of the state.

While secret CIA teams use “extraordinary rendition” to illegally grab victims under cover of darkness, the widespread popular narratives that abduct people en masse, and in broad daylight, are considered legal. Carried away in plain sight by delusional beliefs, victims of “ordinary rendition” can be moved to profess anything as the truth, from false histories to utopian fantasies.  In contrast, victims of torture will soon confess to anything just to free themselves. But those rendered captive by myths are blissfully unaware of their captivity and cannot even imagine their need to escape.  As such, no chains, fences, walls or bars are needed to immobilise them.  Held hostage by false narratives, some quietly acquiesce to abetting harmful programs, while others take active roles in grave crimes—even kidnapping and torture—because they truly believe they are aiding the greater good.

The official narratives used to capture hearts and minds are as mundane and prosaic as the well-respected institutions that fabricate and distribute them. State bureaucracies, political parties, the mass media, corporations, NGOs, churches, the family and other ubiquitous institutions of culture, are the chief purveyors of Canada’s prevailing mythos.  Speeches, sermons, lectures, news items, novels and bedtime stories serve as common delivery systems for the memes that have coddled Canadians into complicity. Using hackneyed clichés and platitudes, beguiling myths are conjured up to render state crimes as if they were noble efforts to protect our ever-precious “Canadian values.”

When a psychopathy like the Canada Syndrome becomes normalised, decent ordinary people may feel a disturbing sense that the cultural system they inhabit is mad. To suppress such qualms of cultural dissonance, captives of a mass psychosis reach out for any kind of rational-sounding justification to help suspend their disbelief, keep calm and carry on. The talking points supplied by their pious narratives allow people to maintain a blissful ignorance of state crimes, and their role in supporting them.

Are hostages of official myths culpable for their wrongdoing?  Should such captives be held accountable, if they meant no harm, but were only trying to do good?  In law, liability rests on whether reasonable care was taken to avoid actions or omissions that could reasonably have been foreseen as likely to harm others.  So, yes, they are guilty, if they should have known better.

“Plausible deniability” is usually applied to figures in spy agencies, or corporate and political bureaucracies, who are trying to hide their guilt from the public eye. The term is also useful in seeing how captives of mass psychoses cover up the truth, not from others, but from themselves. It is a mental alibi. By avoiding facts that conflict with their false narratives, individuals can retain a studied ignorance that keeps them happily unaware of their own guilt. This careful inattention to facts may become such a reckless disregard for the truth as to cause gross negligence.

In law, wilful blindness and contrived ignorance refer to the deliberate avoidance of facts. The very act of looking away confirms that one did have a blind-eye knowledge of the denied fact, or at least some good reason to suspect its existence. This awareness, known in British courts as “Nelsonian knowledge,” is named after the Admiral who put a telescope to his blind eye and then honestly said he did not see what he knew was there.

A Theory of Social Control & Social Change

Canadians should not overlook their country’s longlived tradition of using mass confinement to enforce social control. Examples include slavery, reserves, WWI/WWII internment, 1930s “Relief Camps” and Cold-War plans to jail thousands of radical leftists.  From the “Red Man” to “Reds,” those found literally or metaphorically “off the reservation,” have been forced into captivity. Even those going “beyond the pale” by merely thinking “outside the box” of acceptable political discourse, have been caged—physically and otherwise. The mere threat of detention has also served to scare whole communities into staying in line.

This issue of Press for Conversion! looks at WWI labour camps and the narratives that justified them. Using the pretext of foreign war to wage a domestic crack down, Canadian authorities interned 8000 single, poor, urban men—mostly east Europeans. These men had, not coincidentally, already been profiled as a grave threat to the political, economic and religious status quo. 

For decades before WWI, reform-minded Christians of the Social Gospel movement demonised Aboriginals, and nonwestern Europeans who they saw as fearsome, radicalised aliens. Social Gospellers not only supported keeping “heathens” on reserves, they ran genocidal residential schools, and rallied their flocks around Britain’s imperial wars, at home and abroad. These progressives also turned a blind eye to the political witch hunts that targeting godless socialists during Canada’s “Red Scares.”

Looking back on the mistakes of our forebears, some progressives are quick to absolve heroic activists of the past by saying that we should not use hindsight to judge history. However, there were many people in those times who did see and oppose these injustices. Even a century ago—besides the Aboriginal, Asian and African victims of the Canada Syndrome—there was a powerful movement of radical socialists, of largely Ukrainian, Finnish and Jewish heritage, who were not penned into place by the blind faith that Canada is a righteous, “Peaceable Kingdom.”

This publication explores a history of progressives who unwittingly abetted imperial programs. Understanding and stopping such collaboration is still absolutely central to the global  struggle for genuine social progress. For example, many good well-meaning activists and NGOs are now cheerleading the UN’s “Responsibility to Protect.” Like unwitting shills building public confidence in a deadly shellgame, these progressives are helping craft humanitarian excuses for US/NATO-led wars. Backing this muscular creed, aids in formalising the age-old ploy of using fictive pretext narratives to legitimise the greedy exploits of empire.  Someday, people will look back on this shameful history and say: “They should have known better.”  By then it may be too late.

References/Notes

1. In his 1961 speech to Parliament about the world's “peace-loving” nations and NATO's leadership in the great moral struggle against the evils of communism, US President John F.Kennedy refered to NATO as "the world's greatest bulwark of freedom." After squeezing in ten more references to the struggle for "freedom," by what he called "the Free World," Kennedy concluded his rousing speech with the quotation on the "triumph of evil," which he falsely attributed to Edmund Burke (1729-1797). 
"Address Before the Canadian Parliament in Ottawa," May 17, 1961.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=8136

In reality, John Stuart Mill came closer to uttering these words in 1867, when he said: “Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.”
J.S.Mill, Inaugural address, delivered to the University of St. Andrews, February 1, 1867, p.74.
https://archive.org/details/inauguraladdres00millgoog

2. Textbook of Personality Disorders, 2005, p.687.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=gxpXTm9T1MsC

3. Report on Mental Illnesses in Canada, Health Canada, 2002, p.71.
http://www.influenza.gc.ca/publicat/miic-mmac/pdf/men_ill_e.pdf

4. International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, 2016, F60.2.
http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2016/en#/F60.2

5. Alvin F.Poussaint, “Is Extreme Racism a Mental Illness?” Western Journal of Medicine, January 2002, p.4.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071634

6. Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Biographia Literaria, Vol.2, 1817, p.2.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=hU4JAAAAQAAJ

 

NDPP

Richard Sanders: Lester Pearson and the Myth of Canada as Peaceable Kingdom

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2021/04/01/canadian-ties-to-u-s-empire-...

"Part 2 in an exclusive CAM series on the US' northern neighbor and its support for the US empire."

Born and raised to keep on kissing imperial ass no matter what.  'Rah Rah Joe Biden!'

NDPP

Did Richard Sanders ever nail the quintessential Canadian 'liberal-progressive' political consciousness. Bravo Richard!

Pondering

Many progressives, enslaved by self-righteous national mythologies of peace and multiculturalism, and captivated heart and mind by official narratives of exceptionalism, are thus primed to become complicit in imperial crimes at home and abroad. 

Name them or cite a poll or something. 

Nowadays, many large peace, development and human rights "NGOs," and all of Canada's parliamentary parties, are supporting the UN's "Responsibility to Protect" doctrine which camoflages imperial wars with pretexts designed to disguise them as humanitarian peace operations. 

Is that the NDP's official position on it? Which NGOs?

Canada’s official story portrays this country as a shining beacon spreading its enlightened code of ethics and benevolent ideals throughout a dark and troubled world. Sadly, this self-satisfied myth of exceptionalism is utter moonshine; an intoxicating swill of political hogwash that has been lapped up as the gospel truth by generations of citizens on the right, left and centre.

Seriously? What evidence is there that Canadian leftists "lapped it up"?

This proud Canadian identity myth—proclaimed with missionary zeal and hubris by progressives and conservatives alike—has repeatedly gone beyond enthused ethnocentrism to push the limits of racism, xenophobia, religious elitism and political paranoia.

Oh yeah, the progressives and leftists of Canada push that myth all the way. 

There is no "Canada Syndrome" akin to "Stockholm Syndrome". All countries bar none promote false pride in country and nationalism. It would be better named "Nationalism Syndrome".  It applies to Quebec too so not only countries do it. 

This publication explores a history of progressives who unwittingly abetted imperial programs. Understanding and stopping such collaboration is still absolutely central to the global  struggle for genuine social progress.

Name one.  

The fanciful idea that Canada symbolises these worthy ideals did not arise out of thin air. Throughout the nation-building project that spawned this country, the heartfelt conviction of Canada’s dominant, west-European settler society was that the pioneers who forged this blessed kingdom were on the imperial frontline, promoting morally-superiour “Christian values.” This proud Canadian identity myth—proclaimed with missionary zeal and hubris by progressives and conservatives alike—has repeatedly gone beyond enthused ethnocentrism to push the limits of racism, xenophobia, religious elitism and political paranoia.

It seems Richard Sanders is the sole enlightened person in all of Canada. 

NDPP, at no time did he refer to any "liberal-progressives". He didn't refer to liberals at all. 

He isn't only preaching to the choir he is handing out hair shirts. 

lagatta4

I've heard of this guy Richard Sanders. Has he ever been a rabble contributor or a babbler?

kropotkin1951

He founded COAT. Pondering thinks that opinions of people like Richard who have actually done something other than sit behind their keyboards are irrelevant. I think her opinions are irrelevant because she is not in the fray and thus knows nothing from personal experience about what the "left"of this country might be up to.

"Richard Sanders is an anti-war activist and writer in Canada. In 1984, he received an MA in cultural anthropology and began working to expose Canada’s complicity in U.S.-led wars. In 1989, he founded the Coalition to Oppose the Arms Trade (COAT), which led to a 20-year municipal ban on Ottawa’s arms bazaars. He continues to produce COAT’s publication, Press for Conversion! Its latest issues examine how Canadians are captivated by state myths: * Captive Canada: Renditions of the Peaceable Kingdom at war, from narratives of WWI and the Red Scare to the mass internment of civilians; * Fictive Canada: Indigenous slaves and the captivating narratives of a mythic nation; * Cold War Canada: Ongoing state support for East European émigré groups with deep, fascist roots. He is writing a book (for Baraka Books) on Chrystia Freeland, Canada’s prime minister in waiting, which details her grooming as a Liberal war hawk in the Pearsonian tradition. His research has revealed that Freeland began her journalism career with pro-fascist Ukrainian-Canadian publications for which her grandfather—the Nazi’s top Ukrainian-language news propagandist—also worked. Richard can be reached at [email protected]"

https://covertactionmagazine.com/author/richardsanders/

Pondering

None of which has anything to do with his article. I pointed out the lack of any hard information at all. Not a single organization or name of a person was mentioned nor any polls.

He is absolutely right that all federal governments have romanticized and white-washed Canadian history. That Canadians in general have fallen for it is disputable. Conservatives sure. Many more people partially buy in. Myths about the RCMP are getting busted wide-open. We are happy we have a better rep than the US when we travel. 

I have never heard anyone call Canada "The Peaceful Kingdom". Sounds like something out of Narnia. 

He is romanticizing and exagerating for effect. A sort of a "rally the troops" speech. It still sounds a lot more like propaganda than reasoned argument. 

He certainly seems extremely accomplished. I don't know where you get the idea that I consider him irrelevant. I am commenting on this article alone. Perhaps his writing style is quite different in his books. That still wouldn't change my mind on this piece. 

Canadians know about Japanese internment and are horrified by the residential schools. They are not keen on involving our military abroad. The current top level scandals are broadly known.

Sure, Canadians look on history with rose colored glasses for the most part as all countries do but we are not oblivious to Canada's history. The past couple of decades in particular have shown progress. 

Just because governments have been selling something doesn't mean the people have been buying it. 

 

 

NDPP

Bump. Yep.

JKR

Supporting Russia's violent invasion, occupation, and bombing of Ukraine can also seem like a form of psychosis.”Tankie-22 Syndrome”? Luckily in Canada Tankie-22 Syndrome infects very few people.

kropotkin1951

Luckily in Canada Tankie-22 Syndrome infects very few people.

The only thing our media has people duped into believing is that supporting peace makes one a "Tankie22". You remind me of the white feather women during the First World War. WWI was an arms manufacturers war that was not to the benefit of the working classes in Europe. The war in Ukraine is very, very good for business for arms manufacturers in all countries. Like in WWI both sides of the dispute have sophisticated arms manufactures that are making fortunes. WWI required the US and Canada to go on a war footing to produce all the ammunition and gear needed to win in the trenches. Fuck the climate change initiatives we need to retool to produce more arms to attack the evil Russian and Chinese. Ready Aye Ready.

JKR

Supporting peace requires supporting ending Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine. Supporting Russia’s aggression leads away from peace. Tankie-22 Syndrome gets in the way of people seeing that.

NDPP

'Canada Syndrome' is alive and well.

Pondering

I think it is more and more likely that Russia will shrink within the next 5 years or less. NATO won't be invading Russia but China might forment some separatist movements as could Chechnya. Russia's blood is in the water. 

I think we have little to no influence on wars without a draft or willingness to pay a lot more.  

NDPP

Be careful what you wish for. Billions already sent to corrupt Nazi Ukraine and just wait until the new bills come in for NATO/NORAD/Indo-Pacific Strategy etc. Obviously another captive of the syndrome.

Pondering

Canadians aren't that influential because few are paying close attention. Has nothing to do with psychosis unless psychosis is being preoccupied with one's own life. 

Maybe not making our lives too comfortable is intended to keep us preoccupied. 

JKR

NDPP wrote:

'Canada Syndrome' is alive and well.

All those Canadians putting pineapple on their pizza and apologizing for it!

kropotkin1951

but China might forment some separatist movements as could Chechnya

Stupidest comment of the year award.

6079_Smith_W

Might not seem to probable in the near future, but Xi's shot across Putin's bow regarding Kazakhstan, and the fact China has the most to gain from Russia's weakening position suggest that the situation is very much in flux. One thing is certain, Putin's plan to restore the Soviet empire there is never going to happen, and it could go far worse for him.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-health-japan-china-72f84...

As for Chechnya, I doubt anything is going to happen tomorrow, but is far from a stable situation, especially considering the war in Ukraine, and the numerous international assassinations, including inside Russia's ally Turkey. Chechens have shown already they can strike at the heart of Russia.

https://www.mei.edu/publications/chechnyas-leader-ticking-time-bomb-russ...

Pondering

Perhaps not the stupidest.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/craighooper/2022/10/24/as-russia-gets-weake...

The threat is overstated. Even though Party delegates baked new anti-Taiwanese language into the Communist Party’s constitution, the real territorial temptation for China might be to the North, in the Russian Far East, where hundreds of thousands of ethnically Chinese Russian citizens, trapped in a substantially weakened and hollow dictatorship, could potentially be enticed to reconsider their options.

While there’s no way to know what Xi is thinking, China’s long-established pattern of behavior suggests that, as Russia redirects border security units to a grinding conflict in Ukraine, it is worth considering if China might be mulling expansionist contingencies to the north, along the sprawling and sparsely held 2,615 mile Russian frontier....

Their history of conflict in the region and the great demographic imbalance between China and the declining population of Russia’s Far East has fanned speculation for years that Beijing could press north. All the preconditions are in place for a surprise ramp-up in China-Russia border tensions....

On the other hand, on both the Indian frontier and in the South China Sea, China moved into sovereign territory with little advance notice. In both cases, China’s expansionism was opportunistic, taking advantage of an administrative or military vacuum to suddenly “change the facts on the ground.”...
Less than two decades after China and the Soviet Union signed their last friendship treaty, the two countries engaged in a sharp series of border fights. Expansion-minded Chinese nationalists, coupled with China’s increasing and barely concealed contempt for Russian weakness, have the power to erode Russia and China’s current rapprochement in a matter of moments.

The foundations for a “renegotiation” of the Chinese/Russia frontier are deep. China and Russia have bickered and battled over their shared border for centuries, while “official” resolution, such as it is, only came in 2008. For a centuries-old border conflict that predates the official existence of both nations, China could easily claim a pretext to overturn current agreements, demanding that Russia return Vladivostok as well as some 23,000 square miles of former Chinese territory Russia has held since 1860.

China, globally, has taken great pains to minimize any differences between Chinese ethnicity and Chinese nationality. As Russia’s Far East wallows in economic stagnation, ignored by Russia’s Moscow elites, Russia’s many citizens of Chinese ethnicity could be tempted to reconsider their national loyalties. The forced resettlement of Ukrainians into the region will only further degrade the societal homogeneity of Asian Russia.

Demographically, with only two or three people per square kilometer, the vast expanse of Asian Russia is essentially vacant, ready for annexation and easy settlement. Those Russian citizens that remain are largely voting with their feet, heading west towards the more glamorous cities of European Russia. In a few years, there simply won’t be many ethnic Russians left in Russia’s eastern territories.

Along with vast amounts of open space, Asian Russia is resource-rich, capable of fueling China’s rise for decades to come. And with climate change, Asian Russia’s bleak eastern lands may yet bloom, transforming into a much-needed Asian breadbasket.

With Russia’s military reputation in tatters, and the Russian Army reduced to begging for supplies from Iran and a motley band of ex-Soviet states, there is little left in the conventional Russian arsenal to deter Chinese military aggression. In desperation, Russia is reactivating the same types of T-62 main battle tanks that China seized from Russian border forces some fifty years ago. Contempt for Russia’s military will be increasingly difficult for China to contain.

That was from October. Everyone thought Russia's military was far stronger than it has turned out to be. It is very possible that Putin will fall within a year or two. Russia's ethnic minorities are not happy about being cannon fodder. Russia could fall apart at the seams with mother Russia left childless. 

kropotkin1951

Wow Western commentators think China will act like the US or Israel. I think China is busy building trade routes as its main foreign policy strategy. The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation is its style not coups or invasions.

Joint communiqué following the 21st meeting of the SCO Heads of Government (Prime Ministers) Council

The 21st meeting of the Council of Heads of Government (Prime Ministers) of the Member States of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (hereinafter SCO or the Organisation) was held via videoconference on 1 November 2022. The participants included Minister of External Affairs of the Republic of India Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, Prime Minister of the Republic of Kazakhstan Alikhan Smailov, Premier of the State Council of the People's Republic of China Li Keqiang, Chairman of the Cabinet of Ministers of the Kyrgyz Republic Akylbek Japarov, Foreign Minister of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Mikhail Mishustin, Prime Minister of the Republic of Tajikistan
Kokhir Rasulzoda and Prime Minister of the Republic of Uzbekistan Abdulla
Aripov.

The meeting was chaired by Premier of the State Council of the People's Republic
of China Li Keqiang.

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