Violence in our societies and what we can do to stop it - lose the guns!

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Violence in our societies and what we can do to stop it - lose the guns!

Longtime CBC radio producer Michael Finlay dies after random assault in Toronto

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/michael-finlay-death-danforth-1.6...

NorthReport

Let's stop the gun worshipping!

NorthReport

Why focusing on Bobby Hull's hockey legacy, but not his abuse allegations, is a problem

Hockey institutions paid tribute to Hull but avoided talking about his troubling past

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/bobby-hull-legacy-abuse-1.6732539

Paladin1

NorthReport wrote:

Let's stop the gun worshipping!

How many sport shooters, hunters, or firearm collectors killed people in Toronto, or even Canada, last month?

Your comment is a great example of the problem. A random stranger pushed someone down killing them so you're logic is to immediately go to guns. Why? Because it's easy to go after legal firearm owners instead of criminals and our failing mental health systems.

Progressives need to stop being lazy and afraid.

JKR

Paladin1 wrote:

Progressives need to stop being lazy and afraid.

That’s too terrifying an idea for me to ever contemplate. I think I need to have a long nap after reading that!

Douglas Fir Premier

We could start with defunding the police and reallocating that money toward keeping people housed, fed, and attending to their medical needs.

NorthReport

I listened to a CBC interview of a US professor recently discussing police and minorities, and his response. when they asked him what has changed in the past 30 years:

Zero!

Body Cameras for Police Threaten Public Safety

Especially for Black people.

 

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2023/02/01/Police-Body-Cameras-Threaten-Publi...

Paladin1

NorthReport wrote:

Let's stop the gun worshipping!

Ottawa withdraws controversial amendments to firearms law
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-withdraws-firearms-law-amendment...

Toronto is going to be a bloodbath now.

NorthReport

Sad to see our federal Liberal Government cave in to the Canadian male gun nuts, but Liberals were on the ropes previously, and in their desperation chose the Trudeau brand to resurrect themselves! Where will they turn to next?

There has to be a credible political alternative to a 17 year old getting shot and killed in Burnaby, and the hell his family and neighbours are presently experiencing, and a federal political leader stating Vancouver's drug crisis is 'hell on earth'.

Case in point it was the right-wing Liberal Premier Gordon Campbell who closed Riverview and the thousands of beds for people who needed treatment.

Webgear

NorthReport wrote:

Sad to see our federal Liberal Government cave in to the Canadian male gun nuts, but Liberals were on the ropes previously, and in their desperation chose the Trudeau brand to resurrect themselves! Where will they turn to next?

There has to be a credible political alternative to a 17 year old getting shot and killed in Burnaby, and the hell his family and neighbours are presently experiencing, and a federal political leader stating Vancouver's drug crisis is 'hell on earth'.

Case in point it was the right-wing Liberal Premier Gordon Campbell who closed Riverview and the thousands of beds for people who needed treatment.

The Canadian firearms community is represented by several races, genders and sexually orientations.

Yes, there is a need for more mental health and other resources that will prevent crime. Banning firearms is a knee-jerk reaction that is a band-aid solution that does nothing to correct the base line issues at hand (mental health, education, poverty and jobs).

Paladin1

NorthReport wrote:

Sad to see our federal Liberal Government cave in to the Canadian male gun nuts


You mean cis gendered straight white male gun nuts. Fuck those guys.

NorthReport

No one is condoning corruption here, but guns actually kill people, and human beings are just too stupid to have them, and they need to be removed from society. 

And no one wants to talk about yesterday's gun murder of a 17 year old high school teenager in Burnaby - strange dat! 

There is only one solution that has never ever been tried, and is sure to work - take away everyone's guns!

NorthReport

Coalition for Gun Control

 

 

http://guncontrol.ca/

Webgear

NorthReport wrote:

No one is condoning corruption here, but guns actually kill people, and human beings are just too stupid toi have them, and they need to be removed from society. 

And no one wants to talk about yesterday's gun murder of a 17 year old high school teenager in Burnaby - strange dat! 

There is only one solution that has never ever been tried, and is sure to work - take away everyone's guns!

No one is talking about the recent stabbing victims either.
No one is talking about our weak criminal system either.
Not ever solution has been tried either.

NorthReport

RESTRICTED AND PROHIBITED WEAPONS IN CANADA HAVE DOUBLED IN JUST TEN YEARS.

NorthReport

FIREARM-RELATED CRIME HAS INCREASED 42% BETWEEN 2013 AND 2017

NorthReport

A FIREARM IN THE HOME DRAMATICALLY INCREASES THE RISK OF DEATH IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SITUATIONS.

NorthReport

GUNS ARE THE MOST COMMONLY USED WEAPONS IN DOMESTIC HOMICIDES

Webgear

NorthReport, you should look at other murder stats in Canada. You are just as likely to be beaten or stabbed to death as shot. 

Number of homicide victims, by method used to commit the homicide (statcan.gc.ca)

NorthReport

What a brain dead argument above. Seriously.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7KPuCPLd8k

Webgear

I think you are missing the points of my posts. We have a cultural issue in Canada where some segments of the country don’t value human life for various reasons.

Sometimes firearms are a tool used to commit murders. Sometimes bats, knives are used as tools to commit murders.  Taking away tools will not prevent murders. 

Paladin1

NorthReport wrote:

but guns actually kill people, and human beings are just too stupid toi have them, and they need to be removed from society. 

It should be up to progressives to tell Canadians what they're allowed to do and stop them from doing anything they're too stupid to do.

Paladin1

NorthReport wrote:

FIREARM-RELATED CRIME HAS INCREASED 42% BETWEEN 2013 AND 2017

Once we ban all guns then firearm-related crime will drop to zero.

Paladin1

Quote:
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/sabrina-maddeaux-trudeau-liberals-have-...
As long as they didn't use guns I'm okay with them carrying out their sentences at home.

NorthReport

The only thing missing from your posts is your connection to the weapons industry.

The stuff you spout sounds like it is right out of NRA commercials.

The real reason the gun lobby doesn’t want to abolish guns in society is they are terrified that by doing so deaths would be dramatically reduced. Sad but true.

Webgear wrote:

I think you are missing the points of my posts. We have a cultural issue in Canada where some segments of the country don’t value human life for various reasons.

Sometimes firearms are a tool used to commit murders. Sometimes bats, knives are used as tools to commit murders.  Taking away tools will not prevent murders. 

Webgear

NorthReport wrote:
The only thing missing from your posts is your connection to the weapons industry.

The stuff you spout sounds like it is right out of NRA commercials.

The real reason the gun lobby doesn’t want to abolish guns in society is they are terrified that by doing so deaths would be dramatically reduced. Sad but true.

Webgear wrote:

I think you are missing the points of my posts. We have a cultural issue in Canada where some segments of the country don’t value human life for various reasons.

Sometimes firearms are a tool used to commit murders. Sometimes bats, knives are used as tools to commit murders.  Taking away tools will not prevent murders. 

There over 6000 deaths last year due to drug overdoses compared to 297 shooting deaths.

Last year nearly 25% of all murders in Canada are related to gangs and the drug trade.'

People are being killed due to poverty, drugs, and the lack of resources. Spending over 3 billion dollars to go after the legal firearms owners is a waste of time, money, and resources. I think it would be better to dedicate that time, money, and resources in to mental health poverty and drug prevent activities.

What group of deaths should the government be focusing on 6000 lives or 297 lives?

NorthReport

Spoken like a true weapons merchant.

The military mindset is a broken record and they haven't had an original idea in 100 years meanwhile back in the real world where most people live black people primarily are being slaughtered by guns. So all the gun merchants  are doing is perpetuating violence and racism at the same time. 

Paladin1

Your posts are truly inspiring NorthReport.

Webgear

Paladin1 wrote:

Once we ban all guns then firearm-related crime will drop to zero.

Once we ban murder then all murder related crime will drop to zero. :)

Webgear

NorthReport wrote:

Spoken like a true weapons merchant.

The military mindset is a broken record and they haven't had an original idea in 100 years meanwhile back in the real world where most people live black people primarily are being slaughtered by guns. So all the gun merchants  are doing is perpetuating violence and racism at the same time. 

What the fuck are you going on about?

NorthReport

Another one of hundreds of very good reasons to remove the guns from the stupids. 
 

https://apple.news/A1iOyPMVBQxeQo_9uQ_pA3w

Paladin1
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You know your side is in trouble when Pink Floyd has become the enemy

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/08/roger-waters-pink-floyd-un...

 

Douglas Fir Premier

Shocking scenes unfolded in Newport on Saturday, February 4, when chairs were hurled at people when a fight broke out following Newport County v Swindon Town. CCTV obtained by WalesOnline shows outdoor bar chairs and stools being thrown and items lobbed as the incident escalates in the city centre, with some chairs hitting as high as outdoor canopy shelters.

Onlookers reported clashes between rival fans in Newport. County had beaten Swindon Town 2-1 on Saturday. Bar staff can be seen in the footage trying to remove outdoor furniture from the reach of those throwing them with police entering the footage as they bid to put an end to the incident.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/chairs-hurled...

JKR

NorthReport wrote:

You know your side is in trouble when Pink Floyd has become the enemy

So Roger Waters turns out to be another brick in the wall! Hey Roger, leave them kids alone!!!

NorthReport

At one time police did not even carry guns, and they had to go to the police station to get them for extreme situations - maybe it is time to go back to the good ole days, eh!

 

 IIO investigating death of off-duty Surrey Police Service officer in Langley

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/surrey-police-officer-de...

Paladin1

NorthReport wrote:

You know your side is in trouble when Pink Floyd has become the enemy

 

A week before the 2022 invasion this guy was giving an interview on RT saying the talk of an invasion was "bullshit" and propaganda demonizing Russia.

NorthReport wrote:

At one time police did not even carry guns, and they had to go to the police station to get them for extreme situations - maybe it is time to go back to the good ole days, eh!


Look at you using someone's death as a means to push a political agenda. Trudeau would be proud.

And imagine being a white settler with a lifetime of colonizer privilege saying indigenous people are too stupid to own guns, in a country where the government tried to systematically eradicate them.

JKR

Paladin1 wrote:

Look at you using someone's death as a means to push a political agenda. Trudeau would be proud.

Knowing how NR feels about Trudeau, comparing NR with Trudeau may be a bit of a low blow.

NorthReport

Lose the guns is right. Close to 50,000 gun-related deaths in one year in the US

Douglas Fir Premier
Paladin1

NorthReport wrote:

Lose the guns is right. Close to 50,000 gun-related deaths in one year in the US

More than half the gun-related deaths in the US are suicides.

80% of the homicide victims are black males, predominately committed by black males.
Meanwhile, only 13.6% of the US population is black, so assume half are male.
80% of the homicides are committed by 6% of the population.

Your solution is to first put time money and effort into taking 393,000,000 firearms away from people.

Do you think there might be a more effective use of that time and money?

NorthReport
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Paladin1

NorthReport wrote:

We need to remove guns from society

Are we paying people for their firearms? At an average price of $1500 that's:
$19,500,000,000 in Canada; and
$585,000,000,000 in the US

Or are we just confiscating their private property?
If we're just taking them how many police officers are we going to have to hire, train and equipment to confiscate 406 million firearms?

Or are we just going to give the military live ammunition, some rules of engagement, and tell them to start kicking doors.

What budget will money come from when the bodies of civilians start piling up from accidental shootings?

How many murderers and rapists will walk free because their trials didn't happen within a reasonable time because the courts are overwhelmed with the fallout from mass firearm confiscations? Or are we just going to deny procedural fairness here?

Douglas Fir Premier

U-Haul van driver strikes pedestrians in Bay Ridge, New York

Over the course of 48 minutes, the suspect struck nine people at several different locations in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. 

A 44-year-old man was killed after being hit by the truck around 10:48 ET (15:48 GMT) and sustaining head injuries, police said in a statement on Tuesday. 

The victims also included a 30-year-old delivery driver, Ever Coy, who was on his way to work when he was hit, and mother of two, Chun He, according to CBS News. 

 

NorthReport

I see what you mean Unionist.

Paladin1

Damn is Unionist posting? Can't see him.

NorthReport

Close to 50,000 people a year dying in the USA from guns is not enough for our gun advocates.

 

‘We can’t keep living like this’: Michigan governor denounces campus shooting

Gretchen Whitmer calls for action on ‘uniquely American problem’ after gunman kills three Michigan State students and wounds five

Workers clean the front steps and sidewalk outside Berkey Hall on Tuesday after a shooting at Michigan State University in East Lansing, Michigan.

Workers clean the front steps and sidewalk outside Berkey Hall on Tuesday after a shooting at Michigan State University in East Lansing. Photograph: Lansing State Journal/Mike Ellis/Reuters

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Michigan’s governor, Gretchen Whitmer, denounced the “uniquely American problem” of gun violence on Tuesday after a gunman murdered three students on Monday night in a mass shooting at Michigan State University.

Whitmer spoke at an emotional morning press conference in East Lansing at which authorities identified the shooter, who died by suicide, and revealed other details about the attack that left five other students critically wounded.

Three people were killed and five more injured in a shooting at Michigan State University

Three people killed in shooting on Michigan State University campus

 

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“We cannot keep living like this,” the Democratic governor said, noting that Tuesday marked exactly five years since 17 students and staff were killed in Florida in the nation’s worst high school shooting.

“We’re all broken by an all too familiar feeling. Another place that is supposed to be about community and togetherness shattered by bullets and bloodshed.”

Whitmer continued: “We know this is a uniquely American problem. Today is the fifth anniversary of the Parkland shooting. We’re mere weeks past the lunar new year shooting at a dance hall and a few months past a shooting at an elementary school at Uvalde, and looking back at a year marked by shootings at grocery stores, parades and so many other ordinary everyday situations.

“Our children are scared to go to school. People feel unsafe in their houses of worship, or local stores. As parents, we tell our kids, it’s going to be OK. But the truth is words are not good enough. We must act and we will.”

The interim deputy chief of Michigan State’s campus police department, Chris Rozman, named the gunman as 43-year-old Anthony McRae, whom he said had no affiliation to the university.

He said McRae shot dead two students and wounded several others at the campus’s Berkey Hall before walking to the student union building less than a block to the west and killing another.

McRae “quickly fled that building – he was not in the building for that long,” Rozman said. “We have absolutely no idea what the motive was at this point.”

Rozman said the shooter was located in Lansing at 11.35pm, about three hours after the shooting, after a tip from “an alert citizen” who recognized him from a photograph released by police.

McRae died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, Rozman said, adding that he was unable to provide details of the firearm recovered at the scene and that investigators executed a search warrant on a residence connected to McRae.

Rozman also said authorities expected to release the names of the slain students later on Tuesday.

Cellphone video showed students running across the campus in panic as shots rang out while others barricaded themselves into classrooms and bedrooms for several hours during the hunt for McRae.

“The shooter came in our room and shot three to four times,” a Michigan State student, Dominik Molotky, told ABC News. “I’m pretty sure he hit two students in our classroom.”

The Democratic Michigan congresswoman Elissa Slotkin echoed Whitmer’s calls for gun reform, saying she was “filled with rage” at having to address another press conference only 15 months after a high school shooting in Oxford township near Detroit left three students dead and eight others injured.

“We have children in Michigan who are living through their second school shooting in under a year and a half,” Slotkin said. “If this is not a wake-up call to do something I don’t know what is.

“You either care about protecting kids or you don’t. You either care about having an open honest conversation about what is going on in our society, or you don’t, but please don’t tell me you care about the safety of children if you’re not willing to have a conversation about keeping them safe in a place that should be a sanctuary.”

At least two parents told local media in Michigan that their children had experienced the horror of both shootings. Jennifer Mancini told the Detroit Free Press that her freshman daughter, whom she did not want to identify, had lost two friends in the Oxford shooting.

“She said that she had PTSD,” Mancini said of her daughter. “She said she can’t believe this is happening again.

“She said, ‘Mom I just want to come home, I want to hold you.’”

Andrea Ferguson told Detroit’s Local 4 News that her daughter, whom she also did not name, was “unbelievably terrified” but remained calm because she knew what to do.

“I never expected in my lifetime to have to experience two school shootings. It was like reliving Oxford all over again,” she said.

Whitmer, fighting back tears, said Joe Biden had called to offer condolences and support. The president has repeatedly called for Congress to pass an assault weapons ban, most recently in his State of the Union speech last week.

“Our Spartan community and Michiganders across the state are devastated,” she said in a statement ahead of the briefing, which referred to the Spartans nickname belonging to Michigan State’s athletics teams.

“Spartans will cry and hold each other a little closer. We will mourn the loss of beautiful souls and pray for those fighting for their lives in the hospital.”

The chief medical officer at EW Sparrow hospital in Lansing, Denny Martin, said four of the five wounded required surgery, and all remained in a critical medical condition on Tuesday morning.

Michigan State’s interim president, Teresa Woodruff, said all classes were canceled until at least Monday.

According to the Gun Violence Archive, there had been at least 67 mass shootings in the US in 2023 as of Tuesday, which was the year’s 45th day. The archive defines a mass shooting as one in which four people are wounded or killed, not counting any shooters.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/14/shooting-michigan-state-...

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