'Disturbing': Experts Troubled by Canada's Euthanasia Laws

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'Disturbing': Experts Troubled by Canada's Euthanasia Laws

'Disturbing': Experts Troubled by Canada's Euthanasia Laws

https://t.co/rKNO3cvx7s

"Next year, Canada is set to allow people to be euthanized exclusively for mental health reasons. Some critics say the country's rules have already led to troublesome deaths and warrant further scrutiny.

Equally troubling, advocates say, are instances in which people have sought to be killed because they weren't getting adequate government support to live..."

lagatta4

Does "mental health" include dementia?  In that case, I utterly disagree with NDPP, obviously with the caveat of advance directive. We are kinder to our dogs and cats.

kropotkin1951

I think that ending ones life is like other health matters in that the individual, if they are legally competent, should have the right to kill themselves legally, with help. If I make a Representation Agreement when I am legally able that says here is how I want you to kill me when I reach this stage of dementia I would hope it was going to be carried out. 

ETA your relatives shouldn't 't get to decide for you after the fact.

epaulo13

..i purchased a cremation package last month. and i'm almost done with my will. it's not like i have a lot but i know how messy things can get after a death. how grief plays a part in decision making at that time. so i'm laying it all out. making it clear. it is a gift to my 2 sons. 

..i'm going to add a representation agreement. it's a good idea though i'm still not sure what i want. what my options are.

NDPP

NDPP wrote:

Equally troubling, advocates say, are instances in which people have sought to be killed because they weren't getting adequate government support to live..."

This is for me the shocking part Canadians must face and force governments finally to correct instead of more 'I'm alright Jack' wilfull aversion of their eyes, while Freeland okays another half-billion for Ukraine instead.

epaulo13

..i appreciate you raising the issue ndpp. and i've already added it to the long list of things i'm trying to get the government to correct.  

NDPP

Thanks. The current Canadian status quo state of affairs regarding 'supports' such as welfare, ODSP, housing, seniorcare etc continue to worsen and have become so barbaric and inadequate people are killing themselves because it is impossible to live on them. This must be uppermost on any progressive's 'list.' Because it obviously isn't on those of our fat-cat indexed pensioned politicians.

Pondering

I strongly support advance directives. They are very much like a DNR. If someone is not terminally ill then I am against helping them kill themselves which in my view is murder. Suicidal people recover. 

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/survival/

Attempters’ Longterm Survival

Nine out of ten people who attempt suicide and survive will not go on to die by suicide at a later date. This has been well-established in the suicidology literature. A literature review (Owens 2002) summarized 90 studies that have followed over time people who have made suicide attempts that resulted in medical care. Approximately 7% (range: 5-11%) of attempters eventually died by suicide, approximately 23% reattempted nonfatally, and 70% had no further attempts.

Even studies that focused on medically serious attempts–such as people who jumped in front of a train (O’Donnell 1994)–and studies that followed attempters for many decades found similarly low suicide completion rates. At least one study, published after the 90-study review, found a slightly higher completion rate. This was a 37-year follow-up of self-poisoners in Finland that found an eventual completion rate of 13% (Suominen 2004).

This relatively good long-term survival rate is consistent with the observation that suicidal crises are often short-lived, even if there may be underylying, more chronic risk factors present that give rise to these crises.

It is terrifying that suicidal people are being "helped" to kill themselves when there is such a high recovery rate. The difficulty in finding a way to kill oneself painlessly is a barrier to trying. Being able to arrange your suicide with medical support validates the choice. 

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

I think the concern raised by NDPP is a very valid one. I am very supportive of the expanded approach to medically assited death aka euthanasia becuase I believe that some individual with cognitive and mental illness conditions have the same rights as those who have a life ending and extremely physically limiting condition have. But I DO NOT want to see people opting for this because they CANNOT afford to live relatively comfortably with what they are dealing with due to lack of supports.

As for people who present as suicidal, I would hope there would be an assessment team of professionals who can determine the actual extent and reason for that response to ending life.

NDPP

'I Don't Want to Die, But I Don't Want To Be Homeless'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11516989/Canadian-man-doctors-a...

Canadian man, 65, has a doctor's approval for euthanasia despite admitting becoming POOR is a main reason he's applying to die.

Dr Naheed Dosani, a palliative care physician and assistant professor at the University of Toronto, said 'Canada has reached a point where people are choosing to die, 'not because they want to, but because they don't have proper access,' to proper health and social services..."

'As the pie gets smaller, the knives get sharper.' - Anon -
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'If capitalism was a person, the person it would most choose to eliminate, is the person who will never again turn a cent of profit, but will only ever be in the debit column, as a cost and a 'burden.' George Galloway

Since MAID is now a popular tenet of the 'liberal-progressive' hit-parade and sufficient support for the poverty-stricken is not - barbarism reigns. Expect msm manufacture of consent for this simple solution to the 'problem' to grow.

NDPP

Is Canada Euthanizing the Poor?

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/12/is-canada-euthanizing-the-poor.html

"There are serious questions about Canada's Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID), its intentions and effects..."

Don't hold your breath waiting for Canadians to do anything about this.

Did Canadians even bother virtue-signalling against their country's genocidal Indian residential school system until long after it ended?

Expect even less with any civil society reaction to friendly-fascist Canada's sinister silent solution to the problem of providing adequate poverty/disability supports.

'When people are living in such a situation where they're structurally placed in poverty, is medical assistance in dying really a choice or is it coercion? That's the question we need to ask ourselves,' Dr Dosani says. The answers so far are not pretty...

Webgear

Caseworker accused of offering veterans assisted deaths no longer works for Veterans Affairs, department says | CBC News

 

A federal caseworker who allegedly offered at least four Canadian military veterans the option of medically-assisted death (MAID) is no longer working for Veterans Affairs Canada, a spokesperson for the veterans minister said Tuesday.

NorthReport

Where is he working now?

JKR

NorthReport wrote:
Where is he working now?

A funeral home?

Webgear

NorthReport wrote:
Where is he working now?

From what I hear, the caseworker was female.

NDPP

 The Uneasy Relationship Between Medically Assisted Death and Suicide

https://rabble.ca/columnists/the-uneasy-relationship-between-medically-a...

"...The bill has gone from a progressive example of social compassion to a potential model for neoliberal cost-cutting, by killing people instead of housing or caring for them.

'MAID is the new social safety net,' said a despairing 65-year-old Canadian..."

JKR

Allowing MAID for people with mental health issues is proving to be very controversial and problematic. I think this policy change should be stopped until a strong broad consensus is achieved within the fields of public health, mental health, and social services and by the general public. That necessary broad consensus within our society has not come close to being reached.