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Paladin1

There really isn't much to argue Epaulo. It looks like you're trying to romantazise criminal gangs who are raping and murdering people in 2024 bycharacterizing them as Hatian revolutionaries from the 1700 & 1800s. Similar to how you tried to romantisize Hamas.

I get it. People romantazied the Taliban. Romantasized ISIS. And if you look back on the forums here from a few years ago there's even some awesome mental gymnastics of people trying to excuse Che Guevara murdering homosexuals.

 

The gangs in Haiti are criminal gangs. They're raping and murdering people. Period. So yeah, they're just like Hamas as you said.

We need to stop providing money, aid, and support to Haiti. Let them figure their own shit out. If that pisses off 200,000 voters in Quebec too fucking bad.

epaulo13

We need to stop providing money, aid, and support to Haiti

..funny you don't say the same about israel. 

Paladin1

epaulo13 wrote:

We need to stop providing money, aid, and support to Haiti

..funny you don't say the same about israel. 

We need to stop providing money and aid to Israel.

As a nation they have similar views and outlooks to us in the west, including gender equality and womans representation in the government, and being pro-LGBTQ; we should continue to support that. We shouldn't support treating Palestinians like they have been.

Treat Palestine like a true state with all the benefits and accommodations that come with it. And if Palestine continues to attack Israel then respond accordingly.

epaulo13

..yes similar to the west in it's need for control and racism. you should lead with this stuff instead of hiding it behind attacks on arabs. 

epaulo13

..intercept audio. 

A NEW HAITIAN REVOLUTION?

HAITI’S PRIME MINISTER Ariel Henry has been compelled to resign as armed gangs tighten their grip on the nation’s capital, seizing control of police stations, the main international airport, and freeing thousands of prisoners. This week on Deconstructed, researcher and writer Jake Johnston, who has spent more than a decade reporting on Haiti, joins Ryan Grim to discuss the latest wave of violence hitting the country and the events that led to it. Johnston’s new book, “Aid State: Elite Panic, Disaster Capitalism, and the Battle to Control Haiti,” details how U.S. and European goals have continuously undermined the nation’s governance and economy. Johnston is also the senior research associate at the Center for Economic and Policy Research where he leads Haiti: Relief and Reconstruction Watch....

Paladin1

Haitians shot dead in street and there’s no one to take the corpses away

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Even before the past week, public services in the city were sharply limited. Trash piled up in its slums; cholera had resurfaced. The gangs terrorized the population with systematic rape, indiscriminate kidnapping and mass killing, all with impunity.

Real heros. True revolutionaries.

kropotkin1951

Some people yearn for the Papa Doc era when the only heavily armed gangs terrorizing the population were US backed.

After Clinton destroyed Haiti's agricultural sector, by forcing Haiti to drop tariffs on imported subsidized U.S. rice, the rural population fled to the cities where there was no work. As usual the worst problems in the world have US fingerprints and DNA all over the crime scene.

jerrym

The best chance Haiti had developing into a functioning democracy was under democratically elected Jea-Bertrand Aristide but the US, France and Canada overthrew his government. They wanted Haiti to remain under the control of the 5% privileged portion of the population that were allowed to rule in exchange for ensuring the vast majority of the population remained the poorest paid workers and farmers in the Western Hemisphere.

Aristide was briefly president of Haiti, until a September 1991 military coup. The coup regime collapsed in 1994 under U.S. pressure and threat of force (Operation Uphold Democracy), and Aristide was president again from 1994 to 1996 and from 2001 to 2004. He was ousted in the 2004 coup d'état after right-wing ex-army paramilitary units invaded the country from across the Dominican border. Aristide and many others have alleged that the United States had a role in orchestrating the coup against him.[6] In 2022, numerous Haitian and French officials told The New York Times that France and the United States had effectively overthrown Aristide by pressuring him to step down,[7] though this was denied by James Brendan Foley, U.S. Ambassador to Haiti at the time of the coup.[8] Aristide went into exile in the Central African Republic[6] and South Africa. He returned to Haiti in 2011 after seven years in exile. ...

During Aristide's short-lived first period in office, he attempted to carry out substantial reforms, which brought passionate opposition from Haiti's business and military elite.[35] He sought to bring the military under civilian control, retiring the commander in chief of the army Hérard Abraham, initiated investigations of human rights violations, and brought to trial several Tontons Macoute who had not fled the country.[35] He also banned the emigration of many well known Haitians until their bank accounts had been examined.[35] His relationship with the National Assembly soon deteriorated, and he attempted repeatedly to bypass it on judicial, Cabinet and ambassadorial appointments.[35] ...

In September 1991 the army performed a coup against him (1991 Haitian coup d'état), led by army general Raoul Cédras, who had been promoted by Aristide in June to commander in chief of the army. Aristide was deposed on 29 September 1991, and after several days sent into exile, his life only saved by the intervention of U.S., French and Venezuelan diplomats....

A campaign of terror against Aristide supporters was started by Emmanuel Constant after Aristide was forced out of power. In 1993, Constant, who had been on the CIA's payroll as an informant since 1992, organized the Front for the Advancement and Progress of Haïti (FRAPH), which targeted and killed Aristide supporters....

Following large pro-Aristide demonstrations by Haitian expats (estimated over 60,000 demonstrators in New York City)[46] urging Bill Clinton to deliver on his election promise to return Aristide to Haiti, U.S. and international pressure (including United Nations Security Council Resolution 940 on 31 July 1994), persuaded the military regime to back down and U.S. troops were deployed in the country by President Bill Clinton. On 15 October 1994, the Clinton administration returned Aristide to Haiti to complete his term in office. Aristide received the 1996 UNESCO Prize for human rights education.[47]

In early 2004, the Cannibal Army was joined in its fight against the government by former military and police, many of whom had been in exile in the Dominican Republic and who had been launching cross-border raids since 2001.[55] The paramilitary campaign was headed by ex-police chief Guy Philippe and former FRAPH death squad founder Louis Jodel Chamblain.[56] In February 2004, pro-Aristide forces were accused of committing a massacre in the city of Saint-Marc.[57] The rebels soon took control of the North, and eventually laid siege to, and then invaded, the capital. Under disputed circumstances, Aristide was flown out of the country by the U.S. with assistance from Canada and France on 28 February 2004.[58] Aristide and his bodyguard, Franz Gabriel, stated that he was the victim of a "new coup d'état or modern kidnapping" by U.S. forces. Mrs. Aristide stated that the personnel who escorted him wore U.S. Special Forces uniforms, but changed into civilian clothes upon boarding the aircraft that was used to remove them from Haiti.[59][60] Jamaican prime minister P. J. Patterson released a statement saying "we are bound to question whether his resignation was truly voluntary, as it comes after the capture of regions of Haiti by armed insurgents and the failure of the international community to provide the requisite support. The removal of President Aristide in these circumstances sets a dangerous precedent for democratically elected governments anywhere and everywhere, as it promotes the removal of duly elected persons from office by the power of rebel forces."[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Bertrand_Aristide

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Haiti, Facts & Fiction

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