Is this true? It's being reported on a few significant news outlets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12466913/mass-grave-indigenous-...
Mass Graves contain ... no bodies?
Sun, 2023-09-03 02:02
#1
JohnInAlberta
Mass Graves contain ... no bodies?
Sun, 2023-09-03 10:00
#2
First of all, you don't do your credibility any good by linking to anything in The Daily Mail. They are reflexively anti anything that has the slightest whiff of progressive.
This little blurb on what the technology does and what it doesn't do may be edifying. https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/how-ground-penetrating-radar-is...
In short, GPR is good at identifying graves due to their very unique image rather than say an ancient foundation surrounded by construction detrious. ( I threw that in for any fans of Time Team )
That children disappeared from res schools in large numbers due to preventable disease, neglect, and outright murder is beyond dispute. there are eye witnesses to remains being put in furnaces. What these graves which have been discovered over the last several years do is provide further clues as to where remains may be found. This was big news among the settler community, less of a surprise for First Nations. I'm not aware of any sanctioned disinternments started yet, but they may have. Some time ago a bunch of denialist yahoos went to a site late at night with shovels. fortunately they were stopped.
Mainly though, how about not giving any space or credence to the strong genocide denialist movement. For starters it's against babble policy.
Sun, 2023-09-03 10:31
#3
That's a really shitty article. And it's the media who set the conditions for failure here. Jumping the gun and labeling unknown radar hits as bodies and mass graves set First Nations up to be ridiculed when some of the hits inadvertently turned out to be rocks.
Sun, 2023-09-03 11:48
#4
What hits turned out to be rocks? Not saying it didn't happen, but that's pretty incompetent geo-phys,
Sun, 2023-09-03 12:34
#5
That's a really shitty article. And it's the media who set the conditions for failure here. Jumping the gun and labeling unknown radar hits as bodies and mass graves set First Nations up to be ridiculed when some of the hits inadvertently turned out to be rocks.
Do you have any examples of mainstream Canadian media news articles that “set First Nations up to be ridiculed”?
Sun, 2023-09-03 13:15
#6
What hits turned out to be rocks? Not saying it didn't happen, but that's pretty incompetent geo-phys,
Good call. I went back and checked and there was no specific mention of the abnormalities being rocks specifically. Just that the abnormalities turned out to not be human remains so far.
Sun, 2023-09-03 13:29
#7
That's a really shitty article. And it's the media who set the conditions for failure here. Jumping the gun and labeling unknown radar hits as bodies and mass graves set First Nations up to be ridiculed when some of the hits inadvertently turned out to be rocks.
Do you have any examples of mainstream Canadian media news articles that “set First Nations up to be ridiculed”?
Remains of 215 children found buried at former B.C. residential school, First Nation says
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/tk-eml%C3%BAps-te-secw%C...
First nations shouldn't have reported bodies were found without evidence, sure. Media outlets should have used more common sense with the article subject lines.
It's clear there was no evidence yet, they should have picked up on it and used more neutral reporting. That way if bodies didn't turn up people would be in less of a position to use it to try and make fun of First nations or deny kids died etc.
Sun, 2023-09-03 17:44
#8
That article seemed accurate. It was entitled "Remains of 215 children found buried at former B.C. residential school, First Nation says." The article clearly stated “Casimir told CBC that the findings are "preliminary" and a report will be provided by the specialist next month.”
How do you think the article could have been more neutral? I don't see how the article led people to make fun of First nations or deny kids died. I think racist people who do that aren’t making it a priority to consider facts.
Sun, 2023-09-03 17:27
#9
JohnInAlberta
Hey folks, I apologize; I didn't mean to open up a huge can of worms. I was simply wondering if there was any truth to the article.
I scan a lot of right-wing "news" sites just to see what kind of ammunition is going to be used against progressives, but because this was reported on some prominent outlets it piqued my curiosity.
I appreciate the replies.
Mon, 2023-09-04 00:22
#10
Haven't we had this dance already? I think you are confusing the words "evidence" and "proof". There is plenty of evidence - enough that they are now planning to exhume some of those sites at Kamloops. But then, I posted that already.
I also posted this article about white supremacists who just ran with this genocide denial rhetoric and decided to head out there with shovels.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/denialists-tried-to-acce...
I guess the First Nations are to blame for that too.
And although Kamloops was the first in this terrible process, there are other First Nations where there is proof - Cowessess has identified the children in 300 of the 751 suspected graves discovered there.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/cowessess-graves-first-anniv...
Tue, 2023-09-05 19:18
#11
That article seemed accurate. It was entitled "Remains of 215 children found buried at former B.C. residential school
But the remains of 215 children haven't been found.
Since that story first broke 2 bodies have been confirmed at 2 other locations.
The language the media used, bodies found, set First Nations up for potential ridicule by people (not all but some that delight in anything anti-first nations) when the bodies turned out not to be bodies. Media could have used more neutral language, at least in their headlines - which is where a lot of people stop reading.
Tue, 2023-09-05 20:51
#12
The only people ridiculing are racist trolls, Paladin. So can it with the concern trolling. This isn't about the media or First Nations. It is about racist genocide deniers.
And the fact is, none of this is about proving anything to haters. It is about helping grieving families find out what happened to their loved ones.
Also, you are ignoring what I just posted and repeating lies. It isn't two. Three hundred graves at Cowessess have had names of children confirmed. Did you not read the article?
In fact, First Nations have corrected false reporting in the media - one example being correcting the claims of "mass graves".
https://www.mbcradio.com/2021/06/not-a-mass-grave-said-cowessess-chief-a...
Tue, 2023-09-05 22:06
#13
That article seemed accurate. It was entitled "Remains of 215 children found buried at former B.C. residential school
But the remains of 215 children haven't been found.Since that story first broke 2 bodies have been confirmed at 2 other locations.
The language the media used, bodies found, set First Nations up for potential ridicule by people (not all but some that delight in anything anti-first nations) when the bodies turned out not to be bodies. Media could have used more neutral language, at least in their headlines - which is where a lot of people stop reading.
You purposely misquoted the headline of the article! The headline I posted and you conveniently cropped was: "Remains of 215 children found buried at former B.C. residential school, First Nation says."
The article also clear said further study was still necessary to ascertain the extent of what happened.
Tue, 2023-09-05 22:56
#14
The only people ridiculing are racist trolls, Paladin. So can it with the concern trolling.
I guess you don't care to hear my response since it's all just concern trolling.
Tue, 2023-09-05 23:03
#15
You purposely misquoted the headline of the article! The headline I posted and you conveniently cropped was: "Remains of 215 children found buried at former B.C. residential school, First Nation says."
The article also clear said further study was still necessary to ascertain the extent of what happened.
Exactly my point. Sure the First Nations said that, the media could use more discretion in the article titles. Now FN gets to deal with all the dumb "but where are the bodies" articles.
Wed, 2023-09-06 00:56
#16
Unfortunately FN’s have had to deal with European colonialism and genocide against them for over 500 years, centuries before Canada’s modern media even existed. That’s why decolonization is so important for indigenous peoples and for all Canadians.
Wed, 2023-09-06 07:54
#17
I'm not sure I'm wrong, but I'm not sure I'm right either JKR. I'm going back through various media stories including their article titles. They're less sensational than I remember them being so I'm quite possibly just wrong with my stance.
That’s why decolonization is so important for indigenous peoples and for all Canadians.
Can you expand on this? Such as how is decolonization important for all Canadians?
Wed, 2023-09-06 08:57
#18
The only people ridiculing are racist trolls, Paladin. So can it with the concern trolling.
I guess you don't care to hear my response since it's all just concern trolling.
Oh right.. I should have said "passive aggressive concern trolling" .
And no, not particularly. I do pay attention to you lying and making fun of atrocity and mocking people who are suffering. But considering your arguments are usually sophistric bullshit, I give them the same respect you give any information correcting your lies.
You said yourself that you don't read it. And it is pretty clear that even if you do, you ignore it.
Wed, 2023-09-06 09:18
#19
Can you expand on this? Such as how is decolonization important for all Canadians?
For instance, what is this walk down the garden path?
You seem to be able to find every genocide denying article in the New York Post and Quillette, so yeah, you read stuff you want to.
But you can't be bothered to read the Truth and Reconciliation Calls to Action, or you pretend that you don't know about them.
It isn't that you are ignorant; I know you are not. I don't take dishonest questions like this as serious because I know from your record that it is just another opening for hateful rhetoric.
Wed, 2023-09-06 12:24
#20
Personally I think the takeaway from all this is that the FN communities need more resources to explore and find out whats there. Which geberally, they are not getting enough of
Wed, 2023-09-06 12:51
#21
That’s why decolonization is so important for indigenous peoples and for all Canadians.Can you expand on this? Such as how is decolonization important for all Canadians?
In some very important ways it’s similar to how de-Nazification was very important for Germans and Germany to do for their country and themselves.
Wed, 2023-09-06 13:04
#22
A BRIEF DEFINITION OF DECOLONIZATION AND INDIGENIZATION
https://www.ictinc.ca/blog/a-brief-definition-of-decolonization-and-indigenization
Decolonization is about shifting the way Indigenous Peoples view themselves and the way non-Indigenous people view Indigenous Peoples. Indigenous Peoples are reclaiming the family, community, culture, language, history and traditions that were taken from them under the federal government policiesdesigned for assimilation. Some communities are reclaiming control via self-government agreements, treaties, or other negotiated agreements. It’s about revealing, renewal and rediscovery.
Decolonization requires non-Indigenous Canadians to recognize and accept the reality of Canada’s colonial history, accept how that history paralyzed Indigenous Peoples, and how it continues to subjugate Indigenous Peoples. Decolonization requires non-Indigenous individuals, governments, institutions and organizations to create the space and support for Indigenous Peoples to reclaim all that was taken from them.
Wed, 2023-09-06 13:08
#23
Indigenization Guide: Decolonization and Reconciliation
https://bccampus.ca/2020/09/09/indigenization-guide-decolonization-and-reconciliation/
Decolonization is every Canadian’s responsibility
A common misunderstanding is that decolonization is an attempt to re-establish the conditions of a pre-colonial North America and would require a mass departure of all non-Indigenous people from the continent. That is not the goal. As Canadians, we can all take part in building a genuine decolonization movement. This movement would respect the land on which we are all living and the people to whom it inherently belongs.
What would decolonization look like?
Decolonization would mark a fundamental change in the relationship between Indigenous and non-Indigenous people. It would bring an end to the settler effects on Indigenous Peoples with respect to their:
- governments
- ideologies
- religions
- education systems
- cultures
Decolonization requires an understanding of Indigenous history and acceptance and acknowledgement of the truth and consequences of that history. The process of decolonization must include non-Indigenous people and Indigenous Peoples working toward a future that includes all.
Canadian citizens must acknowledge that the Canada we know today was built on the legacy of colonization and the displacement of Indigenous Peoples. Decolonization must continue until Indigenous Peoples are no longer at the negative end of socio-economic indicators or over-represented in areas such as the criminal justice or child welfare system.
For Indigenous Peoples, decolonization begins with learning about who they are and recovering their culture and self-determination.
Many Indigenous people may have difficulty understanding different aspects of, or perspectives on, Indigenous knowledge. This process can be difficult for all of the reasons we have already discussed, and it will take time to overcome the difficulties. It must occur on many levels: as an individual, a member of a family, a community, and a Nation. It requires perseverance, support, and knowledge of culture.
The process of decolonization is a process of healing and moving away from a place of anger, loss, and grief toward a place where Indigenous Peoples can thrive. This can be overwhelming and seemingly impossible for some. It must be acknowledged that not all Indigenous Peoples are in the same place on this “decolonization journey,” but together Indigenous Peoples and non-Indigenous peoples can succeed.
Continuous reinforcement and rediscovery of Indigenous language, cultural, and spiritual practices empowers people to move forward in their growth as proud Indigenous citizens.
Reconciliation
Reconciliation is an important part of the process of decolonization. Reconciliation requires that Indigenous people tell their stories and that they are heard. It requires a shared understanding of our common past and a shared vision of the future.
An important step on the road to reconciliation was the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada (TRC), created in 2007 as part of the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement.
The TRC was inspired by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of South Africa.
What you can do
People ask, “What can be done?” or “What can I do?” or they are uncertain or uncomfortable about getting involved. It can feel daunting, and both responses are normal. The fact that you have taken the time to finish all of the sections in this guide has made a difference already, and if you can share what you learned with those around you, then you will make a difference. As we saw, many stereotypes and problems occur when people do not know the truth or even any information about Indigenous Peoples. Increasing awareness is very important.
If you would like to learn more, we encourage you to seek out information:
- Read the “Calls to Action.”
- Visit a Friendship Centre.
- Read books by Indigenous authors.
- Take a course or workshop on Indigenous Peoples history and culture.
- Form a group within your work team to talk about Indigenous issues.
- Participate in events such as the Walk for Reconciliation and National Indigenous Day activities.
It is important to note that Indigenous Peoples need allies and not people to tell them what to do, or to direct and benefit from Indigenous issues and challenges. We need to work together and support each other to make a place where all people are valued and included. Reconciliation is a very personal journey and one in which all Canadians must play a part.
Learn more:
- Indigenization Guide: Taking Back Control
- Indigenization Guide: Myths, Stereotypes, and Racism
- An In-Depth Look at the Pulling Together Indigenization Guide: Teachers and Instructors
- Fall Indigenous Series – Pulling Together
Wed, 2023-09-06 14:01
#24
Personally I think the takeaway from all this is that the FN communities need more resources to explore and find out whats there. Which geberally, they are not getting enough of
Yes. Not just on the sites of those child prisons. Why are they having to put up a blockade to get the Brady Landfill searched?
But it is also a difficult and painful process to have to dig up graves. Cowessess decided not to, and identified nearly half of the people through old burial records. Tk’emlúps te Secwepemc has made the decision to do so and is working out how to do it respectfully.
And given how difficult this process is having a bunch of racist settlers telling them they are making it up, or invading the grounds with shovels, is simply despicable.
Then again, this is no different than the denial of the Holocaust that didn't stop even after the Auschwitz trials. The claim that this is all about proof is just another lie.
Wed, 2023-09-06 17:05
#25
And no, not particularly.
That's too bad. You brought up a good point I overlooked.
Wed, 2023-09-06 17:19
#26
That’s why decolonization is so important for indigenous peoples and for all Canadians.Can you expand on this? Such as how is decolonization important for all Canadians?
In some very important ways it’s similar to how de-Nazification was very important for Germans and Germany to do for their country and themselves.
Lots of interesting bits of information about denazification. Including denazification being deemed ineffective and counterproductive by the Americans.
Since the reserve system was colonial would you agree they should be done away with?
Decolonization is about “cultural, psychological, and economic freedom” for Indigenous people with the goal of achieving Indigenous sovereignty -- the right and ability of Indigenous people to practice self-determination over their land, cultures, and political and economic systems.
Is that truly possible for nations residing inside other nations?
Wed, 2023-09-06 18:41
#27
Is that truly possible for nations residing inside other nations?
Yeah, I figured this is is where you wanted to drag this. We outnumber them, so they should give up and assimilate.
Fact is we have Supreme Court rulings recognizing this very thing, not just regarding First Nations, but also the Nation of Quebec. In the latter case, they seem to be doing just fine.
I don't know if you don't understand the political foundation of this country or you are just ignoring it, but you have the relationship backwards. It isn't First Nations existing in Canada; it is us living on Indigenous land, some of it under treaty, some of it unceded. The legal foundation for this is a century older than Canada.
If someone else wants to do Treaties 101 for you they can. Aside from that most basic point am not interested, because again, I don't think you are being honest, and your comment here just adds to my assessment.
Wed, 2023-09-06 18:54
#28
Since the reserve system was colonial would you agree they should be done away with?
That’s for Indigenous bands to decide.
Is that truly possible for nations residing inside other nations?
Indigenous First Nations bands and the Government of Canada have to adhere to the legal treaties they have signed with each other. These treaties can be changed if agreed to by both the concerned Indigenous First Nation band(s) and the government of Canada.
Wed, 2023-09-06 19:01
#29
Yeah, I figured this is is where you wanted to drag this.
You might say I'm concerned.
Wed, 2023-09-06 19:23
#30
That’s for Indigenous bands to decide.
I don't think they have the power to do that if they wanted to. Government would have to agree and I think the government likes First Nations right where they are.
Indigenous First Nations bands and the Government of Canada have to adhere to the legal treaties they have signed with each other. These treaties can be changed if agreed to by both the concerned Indigenous First Nation band(s) and the government of Canada.
If Canada has to adhere to the legal treaties then why aren't they?
I'm not sure a nation within a nation is practical. But the land that residential schools are on being turned over to the First Nations seems like the right thing to do all around.
Wed, 2023-09-06 20:49
#31
I'm not sure a nation within a nation is practical.
First Nations within Canada is the legal status quo. That could change but those changes would have to be agreed upon by individual First Nations and the government of Canada.
Thu, 2023-09-07 21:05
#32
JohnInAlberta
Sorry to interrupt, but I'm completely lost: have human remains been found at residential school sites or not? It seems the discussion took a 180.
Thu, 2023-09-07 21:30
#33
Yes. I posted this upthread.
Not that that question is anyone's business aside from the families of those who were killed there.
Fri, 2023-09-08 16:17
#34
Can the thread title be changed to something like "Right-Wing UK tabloid falsely claims Residential School Mass Graves contained no bodies"?
Fri, 2023-09-08 16:34
#35
Fri, 2023-09-08 17:03
#36
Sorry to interrupt, but I'm completely lost: have human remains been found at residential school sites or not? It seems the discussion took a 180.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites
Yes. I posted this upthread.
Not that that question is anyone's business aside from the families of those who were killed there.
So it isn't the business of First Nations who don't have families who died there?
Fri, 2023-09-08 17:31
#37
Troll.
You understand what I mean, so don't be an ass.
Besides, as hard as it might be for settlers to understand, there is no Indigenous person with family that escaped that system. So yes, it is a matter for the families, not racist genocide deniers.
Fri, 2023-09-08 17:26
#38
So yes, it is a matter for the families, not racist genocide deniers.
True.
Fri, 2023-09-08 17:53
#39
You understand what I mean, so don't be an ass.
No I don't.
Unlike you I don't read peoples minds and I'm not able to constantly inform them of what they really mean.
Besides, as hard as it might be for settlers to understand,
How is it you understand it so well?
Fri, 2023-09-08 18:55
#40
You have tried this before too, if I recall.
All I am doing is paying attention. On a personal level honestly, I can't imagine what it must have been like to be stolen from my family and put through that kind of hell. Never mind having it done to generations of my family, and my entire community.
But you are the one who has said you have an Indigenous relative. Given that, I really can't understand your thoughtless cruelty on this.
Sat, 2023-09-09 09:58
#41
All I am doing is paying attention.
Do you think there might be a little hubris here?
YOU understand because you pay attention. But all the other settlers just don't get it.
Other settlers who think they're listening too but have a different opinion than yours? Well they're just wrong. Because you're always right.
Sat, 2023-09-09 10:52
#42
Hubris? Other opinions?
Like your opinion that victims of a century-long genocide are to blame for racists saying it didn't happen? (and presumably also to blame for them invading burial sites with shovels)
Like you wanting to nickle and dime the grim search for their loved ones because you think you are too special to fill out an odometer log for your taxes like many of us do?
Like you questioning whether it is practical to live up to our agreements and legal rulings recognizing their status as Nations?
Like you telling lies about finding rocks instead of people?
Are there some white supremacists who hold opinions like this? Sure, just like there are in Germany among those who don't want to face what they did in their extermination camps.
How about we back up to that obviously dishonest question of yours about decolonization and JKR indulging you with an answer which you obviously had no interest in.
Playing this "that's just like your opinion man" trope yet again would ordinarily be so lame it is not worth a response, except that it bears pointing out you are jusifying genocide denial - no different than Ernst Zundel and Jim Keegstra - as a valid opinion, despite the overwhelming proof to the contrary.
And hubris? Hubris is settlers thinking we own the place because stole their land, almost succeeded in wiping them out, and now greatly outnumber them, so we can tell whatever lies we want and claim it is fair.
Again, you have it all backwards.
Sat, 2023-09-09 11:53
#43
First Nations are lucky to have a settle who 'gets it'. A real champion.
You're in for a treat I have a few minutes for you; let us debunk some of your regular strawmen, delusions, and outright lies.
Like your opinion that victims of a century-long genocide are to blame for racists saying it didn't happen? (and presumably also to blame for them invading burial sites with shovels)
Never said that.
Like you wanting to nickle and dime the grim search for their loved ones because you think you are too special to fill out an odometer log for your taxes like many of us do?
Weak attempt to deflect from the issue. We don't have an endless supply of money and the state Canada is in is certainly showing how badly we're hurting. Being accountable for money the government spends isn't evil or racist. It's being responsible. If you're comfortable letting the government write blank checks with no transparency that's your choice.
I know you like trying to use my personal anecdotes against me any chance you get which is fine. I like to practice what I preach. I don't ask my subordinates to do something I'm not ready to do myself and I don't expect other people to behave in ways that I don't behave either. Every dollar should be accounted for. For me, you, victims of genocide, politicians, orphans, and everything in between.
Like you questioning whether it is practical to live up to our agreements and legal rulings recognizing their status as Nations?
It's not practical at all. That doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. I think there's a case right now where a First Nation basically wants to take back 90% of New Brunswick. Go for it I say. Progressives love talking about decolonization because it makes them feel good but they're less enthused to put brainpower towards what it actually means.
Like you telling lies about finding rocks instead of people?
This comment is a great example of your disingenuous and manipulative posting style.
I misspoke, Oldgoat questioned it, and I immediately corrected it. I understand how that might be alien to you since you're never ever wrong, and you don't make mistakes.
They didn't specifically find rocks. They haven't found bodies either when they exhumed any graves so far.
I really liked the comments you made about names being on tombstones (or something along those lines). We don't look at any other graveyard and suggest that just because we didn't physically see any bodies doesn't mean they aren't there. We just accept that people are in fact buried there. The same should be extended to graves of First Nations, up to and including evidence handed down from oral records.
Not a single body has been found amid the 200 potential graves in Kamloops. Given the residential school's history and all things considered, I think it makes sense to just accept that those anomalies are graves. Maybe it gives closure to families, maybe it allows the land to be consecrated as sacred and gives First Nations a tangible place to mourn.
The sticky issue comes back to money. Especially if someone is asking for 500 million to search for bodies, plus money for community centers, plus money for group therapy, plus money for research, and so on. (Before you panic these are random examples)
Is spending 2 billion dollars to exhume 200 suspected graves an acceptable use of money? I know you're view is it's not of settlers' business but that money is out of settlers' pocket so it sure is their business how money is spent - and this gets reflected at election time.
How about we back up to that obviously dishonest question of yours about decolonization and JKR indulging you with an answer which you obviously had no interest in.
I know you really like jumping in conversations between other people. Why don't you let JKR handle his own conversations and you stick to yours.
it is not worth a response, except
Except you can't not respond. You need to.
In the same way in one breath you'll accuse me of being a troll and not worth responding to, then in the second breath write a giant post. Then get upset if I don't respond. It's like you need to be right and need others to feel you're right.
jusifying genocide denial
Remember when you made a big deal about me making a spelling mistake? Like it was somehow taking away from my argument? This is why it's silly to do that.
Anyways, this is a lie. Canada tried to wipe out First Nations. It's 100% genocide.
Saying that is a waste of time though because in 36 hours you'll accuse me of denying genocide happened. Because you have your mind made up and you're always right. It's inconceivable you're wrong.
And hubris?
Hubris.
Sat, 2023-09-09 12:30
#44
Just one point:
Never said that.
First nations shouldn't have reported bodies were found without evidence, sure. Media outlets should have used more common sense with the article subject lines.It's clear there was no evidence yet, they should have picked up on it and used more neutral reporting. That way if bodies didn't turn up people would be in less of a position to use it to try and make fun of First nations or deny kids died etc.
Sat, 2023-09-09 12:49
#45
Exactly. No remains found in Kamloops. Better reporting would have mitigated the opportunity for the comments. People making the comments are the only ones to "blame" for it.
Sun, 2023-09-10 19:20
#46
No, NOT "no remains found in Kamloops". It's just that at this point they haven't been found yet. There's nothing in the initial report that vindicates the "The Indian Schools are innocent" canard.
You have no reason to be jumping in to insist this is exoneration
Tue, 2023-09-12 17:40
#47
No, NOT "no remains found in Kamloops". It's just that at this point they haven't been found yet. There's nothing in the initial report that vindicates the "The Indian Schools are innocent" canard.
You have no reason to be jumping in to insist this is exoneration
No remains have been found // no remains have been found yet.
That's just a bias of of it's presented.
insist this is exoneration
I don't think it's exoneration at all. I wouldn't put it past the catholic church to just get rid of bodies or move them off-site.
Whether there are remains present or not, those sites are spiritually important on a number of levels.
Tue, 2023-09-12 19:28
#48
Whether there are remains present or not, those sites are spiritually important on a number of levels.
Whom do you think you are kidding?
If that were to be the case (highly unlikely, considering the proven accuracy of the technology when it comes to graves confirmed by burial records, and and the fact there haven't been any proven negatives yet) you really think the New York Post, Quillette, the National Post and the troll army would be respectful? You aren't; why should they?
You have already blown your own credibility in that regard given that you care more about filling out an odometer log than you do about genocide, and efforts of grieving families to find their loved ones. And repeated lies.
So please spare us this empty bullshit about what is "spiritually important". No one here buys your pretense of magnanimity.
Tue, 2023-09-12 19:44
#49
Whom do you think you are kidding?
Well I was trying to fool Ken. And I would have got away with it too if it wasn't for you and your ability to read minds!
Fri, 2023-09-22 15:03
#50
JohnInAlberta
CBC at least is treating press releases with more care: the Stó:lō Nation is reporting on potential mass graves at four sites in the Fraser Valley and stating that "Preliminary findings from ground-penetrating radar also suggest numerous anomalies that could be unmarked graves at St. Mary's Residential School in Mission, according to the Nation's research team".
This, IMHO, is a far better way of presenting the issue.