Yesterday Quebec Solidaire won the byelection in the Montreal riding of Saint-Henri-Sainte-Anne, a former Liberal stronghold, raising the question of is the Quebec Liberal party dying, as have the provincial parties in west of Manitoba. In Ontario and Manitoba they are the #3 party in the legislature, while they are fighting it out in the polls for second place with the NDP in Nova Scotia and the Greens in PEI. Not much of a provinicial base left for the party, except in the Maritimes, and even there it is weakening.
Is the Liberal Party Dying?
Tue, 2023-03-14 20:22
#1
Is the Liberal Party Dying?
Tue, 2023-03-14 21:51
#2
For political brands being in power federally does seem to work against the popularity of the brand at the provincial level. At the federal level the PC brand died in the aftermath of the Mulroney federal PC government. The same situation seems to be happening to the Liberal brand. The federal NDP also seems to be having an adverse impact on the NDP brand’s provincial parties. I think a good case can be made not to have the same brand name at both the federal and provincial levels.
Wed, 2023-03-15 15:04
#3
The BC Liberal's were never federally aligned with either Tories or Libs. Now they are a soccer team.
Wed, 2023-03-15 17:02
#4
The BC Liberal's were never federally aligned with either Tories or Libs. Now they are a soccer team.
They might be better than the Whitecaps considering how the blue & white have been playing over the last few years.
Fri, 2023-04-21 03:15
#5
Another provincial Liberal Party has voted to change its name - this time in Saskatchewan. Yet another sign that the Liberal brand is fading.
The Saskatchewan Liberal Party has passed a motion to change the party's name. Eighty-five percent of Saskatchewan Liberal Party constituents voted to change their party's name at its Annual General Meeting on Saturday.
The Saskatchewan Liberal Party leader Jeff Walters says changing its name is a step in the full rebranding of the political party. "The idea is to really reconnect with the public here," Walters said. "It's no secret that we haven't exactly been the most successful of political parties here in Saskatchewan."
In the 2020 provincial election, the Saskatchewan Liberal Party received 355 votes, which was 0.08 per cent of the total 444,997 votes.
Walters said the party hasn't had a sitting MLA in 25 years. He hopes rebranding can help change their luck. ...
Walters said that the changing the name from the Saskatchewan Liberal Party has been considered for a long time since they detached from the federal liberals back in 2009. "Every single provincial party except for us have gone through this process, gone through a name change and a rebrand, but we haven't ," Walters said "We think it's time to do so."
At the Saskatchewan Liberal Party's next executive meeting, the party will consider creating a system where any member of the public could submit suggestions for a new name.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/saskatchewan-liberals-vote-t...
Fri, 2023-04-21 09:23
#6
Well the Sask Party was created when Liberal members merged with the Conservatives back in 1997. Hard to tell from their current politics.
I expect the name change has more to do with the Sask Party's endless attacks on the federal Liberals as a distraction from its own failings.
In the last two decades the Liberal party support declined seriously in the prairies over three main issues - gun control, the wheat board, and carbon pricing.
The wheat board was killed by Harper and sold off to Americans and Saudis of course, but is losing support for promoting those two other issues a failure? I don't think so.
Fri, 2023-11-10 00:17
#7
The latest Pallas Data poll of Sept. 26-27 2023 shows the Liberals now in fourth place in Quebec provincially with little in the way of support outside of Anglo Quebec and a statistically insignificant 0.1% ahead of the Quebec Conservatives, a party that was all but dead for almost 90 years, further illustrating the gasping for political breath Liberals.
CAQ 34.5%
PQ 19.0%
QS 15.4%
Lib 14.7%
Con 14.6%
Other 1.9%
Fri, 2023-11-10 00:31
#8
And federally, the Liberals are now trailing the Conservatives in every region of Canada according to the latest Abacus poll, even in the one holdout region until this poll, Quebec where they trail the Conservatives 26% to 24%. Furthermore they also trail the NDP in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and BC. In BC, even in the 2021 election the Liberals won the most seats, taking 15 of 42 compared to the NDP's 13 and the Cons 13 seats in that election. In Manitoba they were able to win 4 of its 14 seats.
https://abacusdata.ca/poilievres-conservatives-lead-by-13-over-liberals-...
Sat, 2023-11-11 00:25
#9
In Ontario, the provincial Liberals are still three MLAs short of official party status and are in danger of becoming the PC Party Lite with frontrunner Bonnie Crombie, who complained that the Liberal Party has moved too far to the left. Naturally, she plans to move the party to the right, having "raised just under $937,00 as of Monday. Of the near-million sum, more than $30,000 came from 10 individuals who share names with executives at Vaughan development company, HBNG Holborn Group."( https://www.cp24.com/news/bonnie-crombie-defends-near-1m-in-donations-so...)
Federal Liberal MPs Yasir Naqvi and Nate Erskine-Smith have agreed to support each other on the second ballot, if needed, in an attempt to block frontrunner Mississauga Mayor Bonnie Crombie from winning the leadership race. "Our party faces an important decision between a principled, pragmatic Liberal Party and a party whose leadership is vulnerable to the same criticisms as the Ford Conservatives — their political baggage, priorities and donors," the two candidates wrote in a joint statement. (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/liberal-leadership-1.7023802)
Sat, 2023-11-11 00:35
#10
In the Alberta election election, the provincial Liberals not only won no seats, they finished with an infinitesimal 0.24% of the votes and appear headed for extinction, a la the BC Liberals and Saskatchewan Liberals.
Sat, 2023-11-11 00:35
#11
In Manitoba the provincial Liberals lost two of their three seats, leaving with a single solitary MLA west of the Ontario-Manitoba border, as the party continues its decline.
Sat, 2023-11-11 18:04
#12
In provinces like BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba branches of the NDP have become so centrist there is basically no room for another centrist party. In Quebec the Quebec Liberals also have very little room in the centre as that area is being filled by parties like QS and the PQ. The Liberal brand is in trouble be "centrism" is not.
Sat, 2023-11-11 22:54
#13
In PEI, the Liberals have fallen to 18% according to the latest Narrative Research poll in August in the polls provincially in a region that they dominated just recently and have likely fallen further as the impact of the carbon tax on soaring heating oil bills hits home with the approach of winter. It was the pleas of the federal maritime Liberal MPs for Trudeau to exempt home heating oil from the tax that caused this reversal in the carbon tax.
https://narrativeresearch.ca/pei-satisfaction-with-pei-king-government-r...
Sat, 2023-11-11 22:56
#14
The Nova Scotia Liberals are now 1% behind the NDP's 24% in the latest Narrative Research poll in August, while the Premier Houston PC government has went up 8% since the last poll three months ago, as the rise in the carbon tax has also hit the NS Liberals hard.
Sun, 2023-11-12 09:21
#15
..many on this board, including me, said the ndp would never replace the liberals..as liberals. we might be proven wrong.
Mon, 2023-11-13 17:41
#16
The NDP would be a great opposition party to the CPC. A common sense approach to many items on the NDP wish list would be really beneficial for Canada.
Mon, 2023-11-13 18:23
#17
Canadians don't need wish lists. We need progress.
Tue, 2023-11-14 01:03
#18
The fact that the decline of the Liberal Party is systemic is reflected in the fact that with the exception of 2015, when Justin was the shiny new kid in town, the Liberal vote has declined in every election since 2000
Year Liberal Vote Share (%)
2000 40.85%
2004 36.73%
2006 30.23%
2008 26.26%
2011 18.91%
2015 39.47%
2019 33.12%
2021 32.82% (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Canada)
Average of last three polls 24.3% (Nov. 3-10 2023) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_45th_Canadian_fede...)
Tue, 2023-11-14 01:09
#19
Seeing little prospect of success as the Saskatchewan Liberal Party, the party changed its name officially to Saskatchewan Progress Party on July 19, 203.
Thu, 2023-11-16 22:58
#20
On CBC's Power and Politics last week, pollster the Sachi Kurl of the Angus Reid polling company noted that replacing Trudeau with another leader for the next election because while Trudeau is a minus 13 in net approve/disapprove, all his obvious replacements, namely former Bank of Canada/Britain head Mark Carney, Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland and Treasury Board Minister Anita Anand all have higher net negatives, making a switch in Liberal PM problematic.
Fri, 2023-11-17 12:42
#21
..that put a smile on my face. in spite of the default alternative being the cons.
Sat, 2023-11-18 12:49
#22
According to a couple of panelists on CBC's Power and Politics, Trudeau didn't like the fact that Anita Anand was quietly organizing for a future leadership campaign. So he transferred her from Defence Ministry, where she was starting to clean up the sexual abuse problem and getting some recognition for doing this, to the job of President of the Treasury, where her job is to reduce spending by $15 billion and in the process repeatedly say no to other minister's favourite projects, a task that is likely to make them unhappy with her and less likely to support her in the future.
Sat, 2023-11-18 12:59
#23
According to a couple of panelists on CBC's Power and Politics, Trudeau didn't like the fact that Anita Anand was quietly organizing for a future leadership campaign. So he transferred her from Defence Ministry, where she was starting to clean up the sexual abuse problem and getting some recognition for doing this, to the job of President of the Treasury, where her job is to reduce spending by $15 billion and in the process repeatedly say no to other minister's favourite projects, a task that is likely to make them unhappy with her and less likely to support her in the future.
This is clearly a sign of Justin's displeasure, but I can't imagine that there are Liberal cabinet ministers who don't understand all this. They will decide to support Anand or not based on private conversations they will have with her about how she would lead the party, and what positions might be open to them in an Anand cabinet. The unpopular decisions she may make at Treasury Board will be understood by all important Liberals as her taking one for the team.
Tue, 2023-12-05 00:26
#24
wrong thread