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Pondering

He won't be defeated. He will resign before the next election rather than go head to head with Pierre who is amusingly emphasizing his first name in his latest ad declaring he is running to be Prime Minister. 

https://donate.conservative.ca/en/poilievre/

josh

Continuing to utilize the Republican playbook:

My message to universities:

Protect free speech and academic freedom to keep federal grants.

I will appoint a Free Speech Guardian, a retired judge, to ensure academic freedom is defended.

https://twitter.com/PierrePoilievre/status/1538900021189419010?s=20&t=iI...

Which simply means he will protect only speech and the exercise of academic freedom with which he agrees.

NDPP

Perhaps. But thus far unfortunately, the cancel-culture/deplatforming apocalypse has been  overwhelmingly liberal-left. Largely an import from Democrat America if the truth be known.

Pondering

Educational institutions are more liberal because they are educated. They know we can do better. 

Michael Moriarity

Pondering wrote:

Educational institutions are more liberal because they are educated. They know we can do better. 


I think Pondering is 100% correct on this point.

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

Unfortunately, academia still does attract outliers like Jordan Peterson. 

NorthReport

Actually universities are both quite liberal and quite conservative at the same time. And universities do contribute to our society in many meaningful ways. We would have healthier communities however if 50% of our high school guidance counselors came from the trades, as opposed to basically none at present. And at least 50% per cent minimum government funding needs to go into trades training, as more than 50% of people go into the trades tather than universities.
I had the privilege of attending university, and feel blessed that I was offered the opportunity, but why not get a frame first and the do university without incurring student debt because as a trades person you can earn 50 dollars an hour
I have to say how stupid can university students be sometimes.

josh

NDPP wrote:

Perhaps. But thus far unfortunately, the cancel-culture/deplatforming apocalypse has been  overwhelmingly liberal-left. Largely an import from Democrat America if the truth be known.

Ok, Elon. Or is it Glenn?

Ken Burch

Pondering wrote:

He won't be defeated. He will resign before the next election rather than go head to head with Pierre who is amusingly emphasizing his first name in his latest ad declaring he is running to be Prime Minister. 

https://donate.conservative.ca/en/poilievre/

Possibly trying to gain support in Quebec by standing as a fauxcophone.

josh
Pondering

Poilievre is just as French. I think it is an allusion to Pierre Trudeau and to Justin who used is first name to differenciate himself from his father.

melovesproles

NorthReport wrote:
Actually universities are both quite liberal and quite conservative at the same time.

I agree. There are many great things about universities but they are clearly institutions with deep roots in perpetuating social class. I think that might have been less true for a brief time in the Golden Age of Capitalism when there was a surge in social mobility in the West but there’s been a clear swing back to their roots. Pretending, educated people are liberal because they are educated and more open-minded glosses over what has always been one of the main functions of universities, which is creating an elite. The groupthink that you see amongst our elites and their cultural isolation from the ‘reactionary’ masses isn’t because post-secondary education is making them superior thinkers. It’s at least partly a function of education becoming increasingly class-based again. I’m amazed that after the Trump years, liberals seem to have learned so little and are ignoring the economic struggles of most people and clearly are steering the ship right back into the rocks. I don’t see how elite education isn’t largely to blame.

NorthReport wrote:
I had the privilege of attending university, and feel blessed that I was offered the opportunity, but why not get a frame first and the do university without incurring student debt because as a trades person you can earn 50 dollars an hour

People are going to have a different experience depending on what they study in university, but there is clearly an identity crisis with a lot of university programs. On the one hand, I support the idea that education should be about more than just increasing your earning power, but that attitude is largely rooted in the fact universities were traditionally for elites who were likely going to have that earning power taken for granted and could use a more rounded education. With university tuition becoming prohibitive for working class students who don’t want crippling student debt, it makes sense that universities are increasingly becoming accreditation mills for the managerial class. At this point, the biggest accomplishment of universities for recent generations seems to be to keep them indebted and give them a jargon and perspective that makes it extremely difficult to converse with those who didn’t get a ‘higher’ education.

Pondering

The business side is conservative, a lot of STEM types are too, but the teaching profession doesn't come from those specialties, generally speaking, especially at the grade and secondary school levels. 

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

What about teachers in conservative private and charter Christian Schools (or schools of other religious denominations)? You can't assume that they all have a Liberal bent.

Pondering

Conservatives complain about the progressive bias in public education because it does exist. How would you explain it?

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

Well I think there is a tendancy to assume that all people who are in a unionized job hold more progressive views. But I don't think that is necessarily the case although one would hope for the most part they appreciate the benefits that come from supporting unions.

NDPP

In these tumultuous times with so many crises bearing down hard upon us all it is good to see the ndp front and center working so hard on our behalf no?

NorthReport

laine lowe wrote:

Well I think there is a tendancy to assume that all people who are in a unionized job hold more progressive views. But I don't think that is necessarily the case although one would hope for the most part they appreciate the benefits that come from supporting unions.

Well said.

NorthReport

Bye, bye Trudeau!

Bye, bye Freeland!

Bye, bye Carney!

And bye, bye Liberals!

We hardly knew ya!

And sweet revenge perhaps for Trudeau's former Justice Minister, Jody Wilson-Raybould.

It's a damn shame the warwongering NDP don't have their own act together, with a progressive alternative to the Liberals.

What a waste!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-leadership-numbers-protest...

JKR

NorthReport wrote:
Bye, bye Trudeau!

Bye, bye Freeland!

Bye, bye Carney!

And bye, bye Liberals!

We hardly knew ya!

Isn’t the next election scheduled to be held in two and a half years in October 2025?

Pondering

Not to mention Poilievre is supporting the Freedom Convoy to end all mandates forever. Signing up a lot of members means the party will not be able to move towards the centre come election time. 

JKR

Poilievre does seem like a loose cannon who could drive the Conservative Party into a ditch.

josh
NorthReport

 

This is basically no different than the blanket control of the media by the Ukraine warmongers. Money rules, and everything else is secondary to the capitalists' profits. 

What Canada’s media gets wrong about the fossil fuel industry

We can’t allow elites or the oil and gas industry to control the boundaries of climate discourse

 

https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/what-canadas-media-gets-wron...

NorthReport

NDP says extra revenue should go to ordinary Canadians

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/oil-and-gas-profits-excess-tax-vulnerab...

NorthReport

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NorthReport

What's wrong with the NDP?

With the Liberals dropping in the polls, the NDP should be the benefactors, however it is the Conservatives that are benefitting and rising in the polls, and not the NDP.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2022/08/08/jagmeet-si...

NDPP

It's the dirty deal...

epaulo13

Pondering

JKR wrote:
NorthReport wrote:
Bye, bye Trudeau!

Bye, bye Freeland! 

Bye, bye Carney! 

And bye, bye Liberals! 

We hardly knew ya!
 

Isn’t the next election scheduled to be held in two and a half years in October 2025?

Not to mention Trudeau's approval numbers in Ontario. 

https://angusreid.org/cpc-crossroads-poilievre-charest/
In Ontario, more than two-in-five (43%) approve of Trudeau, the highest measure in the country. That doubles the lowest mark, seen in Alberta (20%). However, at least half of respondents in all regions of the country disapprove of the prime minister:

43% is more than voted for him. The Freedom Convoy hurt Ottawa and Ontario where it hurt, economy and reputation. 

NorthReport

Albertans are a bunch of dumb fucks turning Freeland into a hero by being subjected to their ignorant abuse.

https://thetyee.ca/News/2022/08/27/Attack-Freeland-Rage-Farming/

NDPP

44th Parliament Adjourns For The Summer

https://cpcml.ca/Tmlm2022/M52007.HTM#8

"Notable non-legislative actions in the Parliament during this session include: government sanctions against Russia, military aid to Ukraine, special preferential treatment for Ukrainian refugees while the treatment of other refugees and migrant workers continues to be deplorable, calls for increased military spending, funding for the renewal of NORAD and increased integration into the US war economy, and pay-the-rich schemes to secure critical infrastructure and critical minerals, amongst other programs which are nation-wrecking and go against the interests of the people."

kropotkin1951

NDPP wrote:

44th Parliament Adjourns For The Summer

https://cpcml.ca/Tmlm2022/M52007.HTM#8

"Notable non-legislative actions in the Parliament during this session include: government sanctions against Russia, military aid to Ukraine, special preferential treatment for Ukrainian refugees while the treatment of other refugees and migrant workers continues to be deplorable, calls for increased military spending, funding for the renewal of NORAD and increased integration into the US war economy, and pay-the-rich schemes to secure critical infrastructure and critical minerals, amongst other programs which are nation-wrecking and go against the interests of the people."

Barb is a perennial candidate in my riding.

pietro_bcc

Corrected: "That Albertan is a dumb fuck"

NorthReport wrote:
Albertans are a bunch of dumb fucks turning Freeland into a hero by being subjected to their ignorant abuse.

https://thetyee.ca/News/2022/08/27/Attack-Freeland-Rage-Farming/[/quote]

NorthReport

Close enough.

Just joking of course!

NDPP

On 'Black Ribbon Day' Canadian Politicians Whitewash the Holocaust by Pushing 'Double Genocide' Theory

https://www.thecanadafiles.com/articles/cpbrd

"On August 23, Liberal and Conservative politicians continued the tradition of validating 'Black Ribbon Day', thereby falsely equating Communism and Nazism.

[Zionist/NDP turncoat] Bob Rae, as a Liberal MP, initiated the motion which recognized this day back in 2009...These politicians are pushing the 'victims of Communism' theory, which is based on an incompetently sourced database, which even confirmed Nazis are victims.

The first to push this theory was Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. What Trudeau fails to mention is that the Canadian government specifically focused on bringing in Nazis and anti-communists into Canada during the post WWII period.

One way of getting into postwar Canada 'was by showing the SS tattoo,' Canadian historian Irving Abella told 60 Minutes interviewer Mike Wallace in 1997. 'This proved that you were an anti-Communist [and anti-Russian].' This was done to crush the burgeoning leftist Ukrainian diaspora, which had strong ties to the labour movement.

The Ukrainian diaspora, which by now has been mostly taken over by Nazi collaborator glorifying groups, is led by Chrystia Freeland, Canada's chief imperialist, the Deputy PM and the new Minister of Finance.

Yet, the NDP and Greens refuse to condemn the political establishment's support for this propaganda day."

NorthReport

The NDP don't realize how much their lack of support for peace is going to cost them. They already have a crisis with their failed leadership, once again, and now this. The NDP will be lucky to win half the seats they have in the next election.

Peace-minded Canadians deserve a voice in Parliament

Millions of progressive Canadians support peaceful solutions to the Ukraine war. A left wing party should be their voice

 

https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/peace-minded-canadians-deser...

kropotkin1951

I spent the Harper years working diligently on campaigns and executives electing a peace candidate to send to Ottawa. Saint Jack rejected him and his subversive ideas and the central campaign even ordered us to take down posters in our campaign headquarters from local peace groups. Bill stood tall against NATO aggression but the NDP determined that Hill and Knowlton was a better source of policy in foreign affairs.

JKR

Were there other political parties that did oppose NATO?

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:
The NDP don't realize how much their lack of support for peace is going to cost them. They already have a crisis with their failed leadership, once again, and now this. The NDP will be lucky to win half the seats they have in the next election.

Peace-minded Canadians deserve a voice in Parliament

Millions of progressive Canadians support peaceful solutions to the Ukraine war. A left wing party should be their voice

 

https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/peace-minded-canadians-deser...


The NDP should take a leaf out of the Poilievre book on how to gather support. He is aiming straight at his core Reform constituency. I think he knows he won't win an election but going moderate didn't either. He can lose the election and still keep the leadership role.

The NDP has been going moderate for so long they completely ignore their consituency. The first sign I personally saw of it was the NDP committee refusing to put the question of cannabis legalization before the membership. They substituted a question affirming current policy of the time.

On the question of Palestine they aren't even close to reflecting the views of the membership. Even without supporting BDS they could do much more in condemning Israeli actions.

Singh's demands on the Liberals are pretty much stuff the Liberals already promised and didn't deliver.

The NDP aren't going to win a federal election anytime soon. I doubt they would lose much support, and I imagine they could gain a great deal, if they better reflected the views of the membership. Maybe still not enough to win; but with enthusiastic supporters energized by promoting what they genuinely believe in.

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

Were there other political parties that did oppose NATO?

This is surprisingly good summary of the NDP history from 2011 in the Globe.

"But the NDP is supposed to be the government-in-waiting, and Mr. Layton has steadily moderated party policy in his seven years as leader, to the point where it is getting hard to distinguish the NDP's foreign and defence policy from the Conservatives'.

Early in his leadership, Mr. Layton affirmed that Canada under an NPD government would remain in NATO. The divergence on Afghanistan, where the NDP has called for a complete troop withdrawal, is now minimal, as the mission there shifts from combat to training.

The NDP has ridiculed the Harper government's decision to purchase a fleet of F-35 fighter aircraft, but the party is only committed to reviewing that purchase as part of a defence white paper.

The New Democrats support a robust Canadian military funded at current levels, with new ships and equipment and a mandate focused on "peacemaking, peace-building and peacekeeping."

Mr. Dewar acknowledges that any differences between the NDP and the Conservatives are based "on emphasis, and I would say on direction," rather than on substance.

One area where the two parties are almost certain to clash is on the talks under way with the United States over closer security and economic ties. But even here, Mr. Dewar refuses to come out foursquare in opposition.

"The stereotypical answer would be we're a hundred per cent against it and everything's at stake," he joked. But he said the NDP could support greater co-operation between the two countries if it did not come at the expense of safety standards or jobs."

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-foreign-defence-policy...

NDPP

NDP = No Difference Party

NorthReport
Pondering

Paywall but a better question would be why does he still have any. 

NorthReport
NorthReport

Dale Smith needs to be booted sooner rather than later. Just another brain-dead reporter

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/genuis-dale-smith-lame-horse-tweet-1.65...

NorthReport

Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault sells out to the fossil fuel industry in his first real test. What a useless dud!

Canada’s environment minister does not jump to take up UN call for windfall taxes

https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2022/09/22/canada-not-looking-toward-w...

NDPP

Jagmeet Singh as Jeremy Corbyn? This New Email From The Centre For Israel & Jewish Affairs

https://twitter.com/mbueckert/status/1573103234297864192

"This new email from CIJA, cynically conflates antisemitism with criticism of Israel in a really disgusting way, and I hope responsible people call them out for it."

I hope responsible people shutter this outrageous Zionist apartheid lobby for good. Or will Jagmeet Singh end up like Jeremy Corbyn?  Shut it down now!

josh

This new email from @CIJAinfo cynically conflates antisemitism with criticism of Israel in a really disgusting way, and I hope reasonable people call them out for it.

https://twitter.com/mbueckert/status/1573103234297864192?us=20&t=dKzBA7b...

https://twitter.com/CJPME/status/1573358767806218241?s=20&t=dKzBA7bAXB6M...

NorthReport

R.I.P. Bill.

Family says Bill Blaikie, who served as NDP MP for nearly 30 years, dies

By  —  — Sep 24 2022

 

WINNIPEG — Manitoba politician Bill Blaikie, who spent nearly 30 years as a member of Parliament with the federal New Democrats, has died.

His son, NDP finance critic Daniel Blaikie, posted a family statement on social media saying his father died Saturday at home in the presence of his wife, Brenda.

Bill Blaikie had announced publicly earlier this month that he was entering palliative care.

"We thank everyone for their kind words and gestures over the last week since Bill publicly announced he was transitioning to palliative care," the family's statement said.

"Street-side pipers, food, flowers and especially stories of how Bill inspired and entertained people over the years were a comfort to him and us in his final days."

Blaikie was first elected to the House of Commons in 1979 representing a Winnipeg riding for the NDP, and at one point was the longest-serving MP in the House of Commons.

He left Ottawa in 2008, won a seat in the Manitoba legislature the following year and was named the province's minister of conservation before leaving politics in 2011.

The family statement says funeral details will follow in the days ahead.

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, in a condolence message to Blaikie's family, called the former MP a "giant" in the party.

"His unwavering commitment to social and economic justice, his legendary knowledge of Parliament, and his sense of humour will be missed by all," Singh posted to social media.

"Rest in power Bill."

Blaikie, an ordained United Church minister, also held a position as an adjunct professor in theology at the University of Winnipeg.

He was voted Parliamentarian of the Year by his fellow MPs, due largely to his reputation as a hard worker who avoided partisan cheap shots in debates. 

In 2003, he lost his bid for leadership of the federal party to Jack Layton in a contest that pitted Layton and the trendy new left against Blaikie and the traditional, Prairie populist wing.

Blaikie finished his parliamentary career as deputy Speaker of the Commons, explaining he retired from federal politics because he did not want to continue commuting between Winnipeg and Ottawa.

His switch to provincial politics caught many off guard, some party insiders remarked at the time. He said he sought the nomination after former Manitoba NDP premier Gary Doer asked him to consider it when a member of Doer's caucus quit to run for Blaikie's vacated federal seat.

Former NDP MP Pat Martin lauded Blaikie as the first to raise the issue of climate change in the House of Commons back in 1983.

Manitoba NDP Leader Wab Kinew called Blaikie a "lion" of the party.

"He fought with passion, intelligence and faith for working people in Transcona and across the country," Kinew posted on Twitter.

"The Blaikie family has been so good to us, on behalf of our movement we send you our deepest condolences."

 

https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2022/09/24/family-says-bill-blaikie-wh...

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