https://youtu.be/15YgdrhrCM8
Well that's one romantic viewpoint. There's also this:
"Stand still, you ever-moving spheres of heaven,
That time may cease, and midnight never come;"
Though I am sure those who feel left in the lurch will find a place to keep doing what they do.
It is the internet, after all, and it isn't like NATO has finally started WW3 and it is the real end of the world.
Again, bummer that no one here gets to say told you so about that one.
PS:
Suggest also periodically contacting Rabble.ca to ensure they keep their promise to save this important historical archive.
Some final thoughts:
The primary enemy remains the American hegemon and our domestic proxy settler-state vassal regime, with 'nazi-clapping' politicians that do its bidding and promote its interests.
Canadians should beware and resist these proxy enemies within and their propensity to distract, divert and promote instead supposed enemies without such as Russia and China which oppose US global domination.
I think our primary enemy is our self serving desire to point to others to see them as being the enemy.
Well this feels pretty wierd. it's kinda like being at a wake, except not as much fun.
I really think that this type of format is most conducive to real discussion as opposed to other social media out there. Not all change and innovation is progress.
This place has been hugely significant in my own intellectual development, and I have gotten to know and learn from some amazingly wise and intellegent people, both on line and later in real life. Makes me recall the last time I spoketo skdadl. We were on my front porch having a few glasses of wine.
Left Turn opined that the forum might not require paid moderation, and more recently he has a point. Certainly in the last couple of months I've tried to keep up on following the threads, but I havn't posted much at all. To be honest I think I've been a bit mentally checked out.
Yup, this is a strange feeling evening.
BTW, I just tried to look at the archives as they currently exist to maybe link to a few old classics, but it shows as not there. I' assuming this means our tech person is doing something.
@ old goat
I get that, though I think some might be remembering something that is long, long gone.
As for what is here now, I am thinking less about the people who are still hanging around (and which will be pretty much gone in a couple of hours) and more about the content on the page that is going to be left as an artifact
How will that stand the test of time?
..the struggle continues. la lutte continue. la lotta continua. cupw drilled this into my head and not for a second did i ever regret it.
..i feel the same about babble. i was able to refine and articulate my bottom up politics here. and now my life will not be the same without it.
..so take care of each other..is a feeling i share with ndpp. and now i'm off to play some crib with people from my complex. so there is life after babble i assume.
I haven't been on here in a while but I'm sad to see Babble go. I learned so much on here.
All the best to everyone.
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion... I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... Time to die".
Take care everyone, it was an interesting 19 years.
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“Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run, but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant.”
Take care, everyone. Good luck.
I will truly miss this place very much. If someone does find away to reunite members of this group in a discussion forum, perhaps the good folks at Rabble.com can post a brief article about the new group/destination. I agree with Old Goat, discussion boards have been prematurely dismissed as a communication and social building mechanism. Formats that followed were never as deep or informative.
For those that like this medium, you will find me at:
http://newcafe.org/motet/bin/motet.cgi?directory
I have been there so long that I don't even remember how you join. The Canadian contingent is small but we are there. It used to be part of the Utne Magazine forums and it also absorbed the Alternet forums (I used to be a volunteer moderater in Alternet).
I hope to cross paths with some of you and wish all of you well.
..txs laine. i'll check it out.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors,
As I foretold you, were all spirits and
Are melted into air, into thin air:
And, like the baseless fabric of this vision,
The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces,
The solemn temples, the great globe itself,
Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve
And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,
Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff
As dreams are made on, and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep.
Babble sleeps while revolution awakens!
NDPP, maybe it's time to awaken to the fact that the vast majority of people are opposed to violent revolutions that kill people on both sides of conflicts?
Well, babble seems to be going full Rasputin, now. It's the 24th now, and still it lives!
Amusingly, though, this means that the planned obsolescence is no longer measured on the calendar, it could literally go "bloop" at literally any second. That, in turn, means that anything you might post as of now, in this thread or another, could be the very last thing you say on babble. Maybe not "the" last word, but "your" last word. I don't want mine to be a snipe or a gotcha (or even, notoriously, a swear word).
As for "the" last word on babble, it was my sincere hope the honour would go to God. Not real God, but oldgoat playing God. When tech-buddy's finger is hovering over the Enter key, raise us a toast and then turn off the lights.
Still going.
I was sort of hoping that my quote from The Tempest would be the last word, but not to be I guess.
I can't help noting that even the end of babble is technically incompetent. LOL.
I can't help noting that even the end of babble is technically incompetent. LOL.
LOL
I'm told that the work is starting now, and that I would be kept informed of progress.
Definitly wierd stuff goig on with the board. no one has said anything to me, but I'm guessing it won't be too much longer.
..babble is dying.
..not going willingly. good for babble. in solidarity.
Long live babble!
Judge napolitano
Moon of Alabama
Yves Engler (twitter)
WSWS
Electronic Intifada
These will help keep you up to date.
We'll meet again...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgGAjmszdq8
ps do you not think in the end it was really Israel-Palestine that bumped us off...?
dp
ps do you not think in the end it was really Israel-Palestine that bumped us off...?
No.
And "bumped US off?" Really?
Encore!
Yeah, weirdly it's quicker to open/browse now than it's ever been.
And you thought Rasputin was tough to kill.
As long as we're still here, might as well share Ruben Bolling's latest:
WTF ??? I thought it was dead and gone. I get upthis morning and here we are!! Screw it, I give up.
It's not dead. It's pinin' for the fjords.
Turns out there is an afterlife!
ps do you not think in the end it was really Israel-Palestine that bumped us off...?
No.
And "bumped US off?" Really?
Maybe NDPP is referring to the Jewish Torontonians NDPP often refers to as “the most Zionazi in the world”?
I am more thinking of the post at #43, which doesn't really show much appreciation considering how much mileage he has gotten out of this site.
That is to say, more than any of us.
Being freed from the whims of the maintream oppressors should be cause for celebration, no? But then you miss the opportunity to whip up paranoia.
Yeah, I'm sure this is all just a scheme to silence NDPP.
Let's keep it classy. This thread should be for peace, love, goodbyes and memories. There's lots of places on babble, and the rest of the internet, for you to keep complaining about NDPP.
Speaking of, goodbye and farewell Smith and JKR. I won't lie, I've found most of our discussions frustrating, but if everyone agreed than babble would have been very boring. In a weird way I will miss that frustration. All the best.
At times I tried to be a sort of devil's advocate to spice things up and have the conversation include some more main stream opinions that I think have to be recognized in order for things to change.
Best wishes to everyone here! In the longer run I think the world will greatly improve by moving much more toward socialism. In its way Babble supported that.
Let's keep it classy. This thread should be for peace, love, goodbyes and memories. There's lots of places on babble, and the rest of the internet, for you to keep complaining about NDPP.
Sure. Classy.
Funny thing is, I have said pretty clearly that I think this forum is better closed.
But I am not slagging it by claiming that rabble is trying to muzzle us on political grounds, and that they can't be trusted to archive this forum. That's being left hanging in the room by the guy who has posted more than anyone else.
And with any luck, I won't be pointing out his contradictory behaviour anymore, once the techies get their work done.
It occurred to me that I submitted my final invoice yesterday, so I'm deciding if I feel like doing volunteer work.
Yeah, I'm hoping for a classy goodbye thread which honours babbles best self.
Just to address shutting people down, one guiding principle for me is not allowing the place to get sued. There's no budget for that. Otherwise progressive principles should be generally observed. I admit to cutting peoplea bit more slack if they're not assholes.
I recall once doing a presentation at a rabble.ca retreat where I discussed how much I drew on my experience working in group homes for teens in my moderating approach. It was largely but not entirely tongue in cheek. When I started, I really got my head kicked around the block, but that eventually settled down.
Anyway, it has been mostly rewarding and fun. To quote from the estimable Master Baggins, "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve".
Oh, BTW I'm told that closing this place down is a multi-stage process, and we are in a stage.
And anyone paying attention remembers Free Dominion.
And yes, thanks. I can't imagine it is easy doing the job every one of us thinks we could do better. But no one really wants (at least no one who should have it).
Oh, BTW I'm told that closing this place down is a multi-stage process, and we are in a stage.
So one more Dr. Faustus (or Cordelia) -style soliloquy
Oh, BTW I'm told that closing this place down is a multi-stage process, and we are in a stage.
Is this kind of like God created the world in six days of indeterminate length type of thing?
Oh, BTW I'm told that closing this place down is a multi-stage process, and we are in a stage.
Is this kind of like God created the world in six days of indeterminate length type of thing?
Yes, precisely.
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United Auto Workers president Shawn Fain: “We win by giving working-class people the tools, the inspiration, and the courage to stand up for themselves.”
I'm hopeful that we can maybe keep this going.
